Should Al Saunders return in '08?

MTK · 12-18-2007, 06:53 PM

Now Williams needs to go?

LOL this place cracks me up sometimes I swear.

hooskins · 12-18-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Now Williams needs to go?

LOL this place cracks me up sometimes I swear.

I am glad some of the people here do not run the team.

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 12-18-2007, 07:00 PM

I also think that it is time we get rid of Williams. I would definitely love to bring in Rivera to replace him since he used to run that cover-2 sceme in Chicago. Saunders should definitely return but only given full control. If I was Saunders I would say if I come back I need to run this offense by myself and get the personnel needed to run his system.

djnemo65 · 12-18-2007, 07:48 PM

Wasn't this past year the first year that Campbell had the same coordinator consecutively? Let's maintain continuity for his sake and see what he can do.

Daseal · 12-18-2007, 08:14 PM

Williams has been the only constant this team has had for 20 years. He had one down spot, but besides one year, his defense has done amazing things.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 12-18-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Williams has been the only constant this team has had for 20 years. He had one down spot, but besides one year, his defense has done amazing things.

2004 was amazing defensively
2005 was in the top 1/3, but didn't create many turnovers, overall good
2006 poor, set NFL record low for turnovers created
2007 average at best. 2nd half of games have been poor defensively. 26th in generating turnovers.

The trend is going down, not up. Obviously after last year there was no where to go but up. We should be seeing consistent improvement or at least a steady level of defensive play in the top 1/3 of the NFL for a guy that is one of the highest paid coordinators. Gibbs has given him whatever he has asked for (Taylor, Rogers, McIntosh, Landry, Archuletta, Fletcher, Carter). Even with injuries and Sean's death, we have at least average talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Tampa's D for a few years was amazing, Ravens D was amazing. Bears D 2005-06 was amazing. Our defense has not been amazing outside of 2004.

Paintrain · 12-18-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

2004 was amazing defensively
2005 was in the top 1/3, but didn't create many turnovers, overall good
2006 poor, set NFL record low for turnovers created
2007 average at best. 2nd half of games have been poor defensively. 26th in generating turnovers.

The trend is going down, not up. Obviously after last year there was no where to go but up. We should be seeing consistent improvement or at least a steady level of defensive play in the top 1/3 of the NFL for a guy that is one of the highest paid coordinators. Gibbs has given him whatever he has asked for (Taylor, Rogers, McIntosh, Landry, Archuletta, Fletcher, Carter). Even with injuries and Sean's death, we have at least average talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Tampa's D for a few years was amazing, Ravens D was amazing. Bears D 2005-06 was amazing. Our defense has not been amazing outside of 2004.

I'm not to the point for calling for his job outright but I am off of the Grilliams bandwagon.. The defense is decent, but is getting killed in the 2nd halves of games..

The offense has had more injuries (entire right side of the OL, Rabach, Moss, ARE, Thrash, Sellers, Campbell have all missed some or all of games this year) than the defense (Rogers, Washington, Taylor-RIP, now McIntosh) yet the offense has still be relatively productive, especially in first halves of games, but the D has not held up late in games..

Skinsfan1967 · 12-18-2007, 08:19 PM

I think Jason needs stability with one system.

rypper11 · 12-18-2007, 08:45 PM

I voted form him to go but I am on the fence here. I like Gibbs in a CEO role which is more what he has become this season. I don't want to see him become the OC again but I think the offense is more effecient scaled back. I am in favor of run 15 plays but run them to perfection. IMO, Saunders offense causes everyone to overthink and not just play.

jsarno · 12-18-2007, 09:38 PM

I do not like this question at all. It's glaringly obvious we need to keep Saunders.

MTRedskinsFan · 12-18-2007, 10:48 PM

I said yes, but only if he gets total control. I also think the only way that will really happen is if Gibbs is not the HC next year. Not that I think he should fully retire, but would be very happy to see Gibbs move into another role within the organization.

I've also started to wonder whether Saunders will choose to move on to bigger and better. He was so successful when he had control of the reigns in KC, and anyone can imagine how frustrating it's probably been to compromise in offensive stategy (particularly in regard to being "influenced" to call 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 run plays in a row when every guy on the opposing team knows exactly what's coming). I remember the heady day of KC's #1 offense very well and that kind of thing NEVER happened.

Anyway, Saunders may have better opportunities emerge outside D.C. and I think it would leave us in worse shape.

hurrykaine · 12-26-2007, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

I said yes, but only if he gets total control. I also think the only way that will really happen is if Gibbs is not the HC next year. Not that I think he should fully retire, but would be very happy to see Gibbs move into another role within the organization.

I've also started to wonder whether Saunders will choose to move on to bigger and better. He was so successful when he had control of the reigns in KC, and anyone can imagine how frustrating it's probably been to compromise in offensive stategy (particularly in regard to being "influenced" to call 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 run plays in a row when every guy on the opposing team knows exactly what's coming). I remember the heady day of KC's #1 offense very well and that kind of thing NEVER happened.

Anyway, Saunders may have better opportunities emerge outside D.C. and I think it would leave us in worse shape.

I agree with the first sentence...Saunders should be given full control. Disagree with the second sentence. Full control could be given to Saunders even while Gibbs stays as HC. Just give Gibbs a toy/fake motorola headset.

Daseal · 12-18-2007, 11:03 PM

SmootSmack: I think you're wrong. Most people saying go for the kill, want us to continue moving the ball as we were. You haven't noticed us doing one thing, getting up, then going back on our haunches? Late in the game, I want to see high percentage pass plays, sometimes even on first or second down. Running 3 times burns some time, but getting a first down or two burns a lot more.

By go for the kill it's the continuation of offense for 60 minutes. Not what happened half the season where we play offense, go to halftime, stop playing offense, try to start playing to win the game.

People that are blaming the defense for losing these games. How many games have we lost where the defense gave up less than 20 points. A lot. To me, scoring defense is the most important stat, and we're doing damn good. We didn't even let Buffalo score a TD, but they still beat us. The defense is on the field a long time, they're tired, and they shouldn't be required to win 3/4ths of the games.

SmootSmack · 12-18-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

SmootSmack: I think you're wrong. Most people saying go for the kill, want us to continue moving the ball as we were. You haven't noticed us doing one thing, getting up, then going back on our haunches? Late in the game, I want to see high percentage pass plays, sometimes even on first or second down. Running 3 times burns some time, but getting a first down or two burns a lot more.

By go for the kill it's the continuation of offense for 60 minutes. Not what happened half the season where we play offense, go to halftime, stop playing offense, try to start playing to win the game.

People that are blaming the defense for losing these games. How many games have we lost where the defense gave up less than 20 points. A lot. To me, scoring defense is the most important stat, and we're doing damn good. We didn't even let Buffalo score a TD, but they still beat us. The defense is on the field a long time, they're tired, and they shouldn't be required to win 3/4ths of the games.

Agree to disagree, I suppose. I wish we had a playoff spot locked up so we could "go for the kill" and then get burned. And then see what people say. I'm not convinced that most people mean "continuation of the offense" (whatever that means)

KLHJ2 · 12-18-2007, 11:29 PM

I concur with Daseal, there is nothing more frustrating as a fan than to watch your team go up and down the field against opposing defenses only to see them turn around and go 3 and out over and over at the end of games. How hard is it to just keep moving the ball and maintain posession at the end? More often than not when we put our defense in a position to win the game for us at the end, it backfires. I would like to see high percentage pass plays on 1st and second down and runs on third down at the end of games. Other teams know that we are going to run on 1st and 2nd and try and pass on 3rd.

If I know its comming, then those who get paid to defend it sure as hell do too.

View Poll Results: Should Al Saunders return next year to run the offense?
Yes, continuity is key	101	60.84%
Yes, but only if Gibbs gives him total control	53	31.93%
No, Gibbs should take back control of the offense and be the OC	10	6.02%
No, get another offensive coordinator	2	1.20%
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12-18-2007, 07:00 PM	#3
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 46 Posts: 349	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? I also think that it is time we get rid of Williams. I would definitely love to bring in Rivera to replace him since he used to run that cover-2 sceme in Chicago. Saunders should definitely return but only given full control. If I was Saunders I would say if I come back I need to run this offense by myself and get the personnel needed to run his system.

12-18-2007, 07:48 PM	#4
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? Wasn't this past year the first year that Campbell had the same coordinator consecutively? Let's maintain continuity for his sake and see what he can do.

12-18-2007, 08:14 PM	#5
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? Williams has been the only constant this team has had for 20 years. He had one down spot, but besides one year, his defense has done amazing things. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

12-18-2007, 08:19 PM	#8
Skinsfan1967 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Frederick, Maryland Age: 59 Posts: 254	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? I think Jason needs stability with one system. __________________ Yellow41 on Redskinsheads

12-18-2007, 06:53 PM	#1
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12-18-2007, 08:45 PM	#9
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? I voted form him to go but I am on the fence here. I like Gibbs in a CEO role which is more what he has become this season. I don't want to see him become the OC again but I think the offense is more effecient scaled back. I am in favor of run 15 plays but run them to perfection. IMO, Saunders offense causes everyone to overthink and not just play. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

12-18-2007, 09:38 PM	#10
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 51 Posts: 9,534	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? I do not like this question at all. It's glaringly obvious we need to keep Saunders. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

12-18-2007, 10:48 PM	#11
MTRedskinsFan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 359	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? I said yes, but only if he gets total control. I also think the only way that will really happen is if Gibbs is not the HC next year. Not that I think he should fully retire, but would be very happy to see Gibbs move into another role within the organization. I've also started to wonder whether Saunders will choose to move on to bigger and better. He was so successful when he had control of the reigns in KC, and anyone can imagine how frustrating it's probably been to compromise in offensive stategy (particularly in regard to being "influenced" to call 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 run plays in a row when every guy on the opposing team knows exactly what's coming). I remember the heady day of KC's #1 offense very well and that kind of thing NEVER happened. Anyway, Saunders may have better opportunities emerge outside D.C. and I think it would leave us in worse shape.

12-18-2007, 11:03 PM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? SmootSmack: I think you're wrong. Most people saying go for the kill, want us to continue moving the ball as we were. You haven't noticed us doing one thing, getting up, then going back on our haunches? Late in the game, I want to see high percentage pass plays, sometimes even on first or second down. Running 3 times burns some time, but getting a first down or two burns a lot more. By go for the kill it's the continuation of offense for 60 minutes. Not what happened half the season where we play offense, go to halftime, stop playing offense, try to start playing to win the game. People that are blaming the defense for losing these games. How many games have we lost where the defense gave up less than 20 points. A lot. To me, scoring defense is the most important stat, and we're doing damn good. We didn't even let Buffalo score a TD, but they still beat us. The defense is on the field a long time, they're tired, and they shouldn't be required to win 3/4ths of the games. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

12-18-2007, 11:29 PM	#15
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 48 Posts: 5,829	Re: Should Al Saunders return in '08? I concur with Daseal, there is nothing more frustrating as a fan than to watch your team go up and down the field against opposing defenses only to see them turn around and go 3 and out over and over at the end of games. How hard is it to just keep moving the ball and maintain posession at the end? More often than not when we put our defense in a position to win the game for us at the end, it backfires. I would like to see high percentage pass plays on 1st and second down and runs on third down at the end of games. Other teams know that we are going to run on 1st and 2nd and try and pass on 3rd. If I know its comming, then those who get paid to defend it sure as hell do too.

Should Al Saunders return in '08?

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