Ocho Cinco In B&G

[Longtimefan]

Marvin Lewis maintains the Bengals have no intention of trading CJ. That he's still under contract to the team.

What is the contract status of CJ, is still under contract with the Bengals or is he about to become an URFA? I'm curious that any talks of trade for him at this time is/or is not borderline flirting with the tampering rule

[WaldSkins]

CJ is under contract until 2011

[sandtrapjack]

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

Hurts (given the Avatar) but I've gotta agree. the Washington Post reports that the Redskins are interested but they didnt say anything about Cincy being interested.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

All I want to know is: How you can begin talking contract with a player already under contract with another team? League rules do not permit that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

All I want to know is: How you can begin talking contract with a player already under contract with another team? League rules do not permit that.

We did the same thing with Briggs. We had a deal in place ready to be signed before a trade fell through. I'm not sure of the specifics regarding any league rules, but discussing contract parameters does not seem to be against the rules if teams are discussing a trade.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We did the same thing with Briggs. We had a deal in place ready to be signed before a trade fell through. I'm not sure of the specifics regarding any league rules, but discussing contract parameters does not seem to be against the rules if teams are discussing a trade.

I have been trying to find more information that will clarify the NFL rules regarding tampering.

I do beleive in the case with Briggs last year, both sides were open to trade possibilities, in the case of CJ Bengals management is maintaining they have no intention of trading him. I could be wrong, but I beleive we're dealing with a different set of circumstances.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I have been trying to find more information that will clarify the NFL rules regarding tampering.

I do beleive in the case with Briggs last year, both sides were open to trade possibilities, in the case of CJ Bengals management is maintaining they have no intention of trading him. I could be wrong, but I believe we're dealing with a different set of circumstances.

I believe the essential difference was that last year Briggs was a free agent, that the Bears applied the "franchise tag" to.

So once free agency begins all parties can have discussions and try to work out essentially a sign and trade. After all, that's tone of the main purposes of applying the "franchise tag", to make sure if you're going to lose a free agent you get something in return.

There's probably more to it...but I'm tired

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

hope you're right sand, but

1) don't put too much stock into what the bengals brass is saying, that's part of postering to gian leverage if they do deal him,
2) If I'm correct, can't a team agree to take on the cap hit in a trade? I know it's all subject to the individual deal, but I recall us & the Jets negotiating this when we traded coles for Moss. Ditto last year when we sent Arch to the Bears, they took some of the cap hit/bonus.

If you're right that it's an 8mil cap hit (what's yo source?) that might even be too much for the danny & his crack team of capologists to manoever around.

What about this scenario, CJ acts a fool during the season & the Bengals choose to deal him rather than keyshawn him. Wonder what the price would be then?

[Tha Posse]

Look like Dallas is already sweating at just the mention of us getting him, lol I love it. Anyway it sounds like CJ is pretty intent on wanting a trade, so if he wants out that badly I'm sure he can cook up some way of getting out of cincy. Wasn't it Briggs who vowed not to play in Chicago if he wasn't traded last year, and yes he did end up staying and playing. But I think CJ is the type that doesn't bluff. I hope we do get him, then we'll finally have a solid #2 in Moss. But I wonder if this pisses Moss off????

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

hope you're right sand, but

1) don't put too much stock into what the bengals brass is saying, that's part of postering to gian leverage if they do deal him,
2) If I'm correct, can't a team agree to take on the cap hit in a trade? I know it's all subject to the individual deal, but I recall us & the Jets negotiating this when we traded coles for Moss. Ditto last year when we sent Arch to the Bears, they took some of the cap hit/bonus.

If you're right that it's an 8mil cap hit (what's yo source?) that might even be too much for the danny & his crack team of capologists to manoever around.

What about this scenario, CJ acts a fool during the season & the Bengals choose to deal him rather than keyshawn him. Wonder what the price would be then?

Source is the dead money associated with Johnsons current contract in Cincy. The remainder of his pro-rated signing bonus through 2011 is about 8 mill. And as soon as he is traded all 8 mil counts against the Bengals cap.

Originally Posted by The Posse

Look like Dallas is already sweating at just the mention of us getting him, lol I love it.

No not sweating it at all. What is there to sweat? Johnson would probably have better numbers in Cincinnati with a Pro Bowl QB in Palmer than he would with a QB who is changing offensive systems for, what, the 3rd time?
And who is still considered to be "developing"? Johnson's production will take a hit if traded to Washington.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Source is the dead money associated with Johnsons current contract in Cincy. The remainder of his pro-rated signing bonus through 2011 is about 8 mill. And as soon as he is traded all 8 mil counts against the Bengals cap.

I would venture to say though that his Cap Number is between 6-8 million anyway, so obviously this wouldn't cripple the Bengals cap any more than Brandon Lloyd would ours.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I would venture to say though that his Cap Number is between 6-8 million anyway, so obviously this wouldn't cripple the Bengals cap any more than Brandon Lloyd would ours.

The difference being that fans don't buy tickets to see Brandon Lloyd or buy his jersey. So Washington does not really make anything from his presence.

Johnson, on the other hand, sells jerseys and tickets which means millions of additional revenue for just being on the roster and on the field.

By dumping Lloyd, the Skins do not loose any fan revenue, because he does not exactly sell tons of fan merchandise.

By letting Johnson go not only does the Bengals take a substantial cap hit in dead money, but they would also loose some valuable fan revenue in addition to the cap hit.

Trust me there are more Chad Johnson Bengals jerseys being sold then there are Brandon Lloyd Redskins Jerseys.

[SBXVII]

Where there is a will there is a way. Especially with DS. I'm no capologist but I'm sure there is a way....possibly even agreeing to sign a new contract that is back loaded like DS likes then being traded to the Skins.

[hagams]

Wow....this thread is huge. I don't see it happening anymore. Cinncy seems to be sticking by the "He's not going anywhere" statement. I belive them. Also, as stubborn as Chad is, he would rather sit than get paid just to prove his point. Kinda like a new-age Barry Sanders?