The reason GW DIDNT want the job

ingibbswetrust · 02-10-2008, 09:57 AM

According to someone with very close ties to the organization (and Snyder) Gregg Williams DIDN'T WANT the job with Vinny Cerrato calling the shots. He said he knows this for a fact. People have been chalking it up to Snyder and GW not getting along, or not "fitting" but this isn't true. Our front office structure ran him out of town, just like it kept a number of candidates from considering the job.

Hopefully Zorn works out, but he'll have to win over the lockeroom before anything else.

mheisig · 02-10-2008, 10:00 AM

Who/what is your source?

4mrusmc · 02-10-2008, 11:00 AM

I think back to the Lavar situation and last years "mole" in the locker room, probably gave the appearance that GW didn't have as good of control of his team as he would like everyone to think.

djnemo65 · 02-10-2008, 11:11 AM

I think most of us figure some variation of this to be the case, but without naming a source this thread really isn't any different than any of the other speculation that has littered this site for the past 4 weeks.

rypper11 · 02-10-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I think back to the Lavar situation and last years "mole" in the locker room, probably gave the appearance that GW didn't have as good of control of his team as he would like everyone to think.

GW is a polarizing guy. For every Fletcher who runs through walls for him, you have a Pierce who can't wait to get away from him and succeed elsewhere to prove him wrong. If your info is true (and I question posts like this with no sources other than a guy I know) then it means that he will probably never get to be a good HC. Only coaches with previous rings and almost universally accepted clout are given final say over personnel.

dblanch66 · 02-10-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

I think most of us figure some variation of this to be the case, but without naming a source this thread really isn't any different than any of the other speculation that has littered this site for the past 4 weeks.

"littered" is absolutely accurate.

MTK · 02-10-2008, 12:14 PM

Oh so now GW didn't want the job, despite interviewing multiple times and saying he wanted the job.

I get it now.

That Guy · 02-10-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

GW is a polarizing guy. For every Fletcher who runs through walls for him, you have a Pierce who can't wait to get away from him and succeed elsewhere to prove him wrong. If your info is true (and I question posts like this with no sources other than a guy I know) then it means that he will probably never get to be a good HC. Only coaches with previous rings and almost universally accepted clout are given final say over personnel.

pierce didn't have any issues with anyone here... until he got let go. now all he can do is talk sh*t constantly.

redsk1 · 02-10-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

GW is a polarizing guy. For every Fletcher who runs through walls for him, you have a Pierce who can't wait to get away from him and succeed elsewhere to prove him wrong. If your info is true (and I question posts like this with no sources other than a guy I know) then it means that he will probably never get to be a good HC. Only coaches with previous rings and almost universally accepted clout are given final say over personnel.

Pierce actually liked playing for GW. Not sure where you got that info from. He hates the skins now. Most guys who actually play and perform for GW like him.

T.O.Killa · 02-10-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

GW is a polarizing guy. For every Fletcher who runs through walls for him, you have a Pierce who can't wait to get away from him and succeed elsewhere to prove him wrong. If your info is true (and I question posts like this with no sources other than a guy I know) then it means that he will probably never get to be a good HC. Only coaches with previous rings and almost universally accepted clout are given final say over personnel.

Well thats a strange comment to make, because Pierce came out and said he loves Williams on Comcast and he was stunned that he did not get the job. He also said they still talk on the phone.

ingibbswetrust · 02-10-2008, 01:11 PM

I would compromise my source by naming names. He was at Snyder's super bowl party in arizona, at the press conference this past week at redskins park and is very close to a number of people within the organization. You can take the info however you want, just putting it out there.

ingibbswetrust · 02-10-2008, 01:18 PM

Don't get me wrong, he wanted to job very badly just not under the circumstances presented. This is the same reason Cowher, Carrol, Spanolo, and Jim Mora all didn't want to touch this job with a 10 foot pole. Would you want to accept a job where you have nearly zero control and yet are held accountable for everything?

The result: we have a previous QB coach with no head coaching experience in any capacity on his resume, who was going to be passed over for the OC position in seattle when Mora takes over next year anyways. (From JLC's blog).

It's great that everyone is excited about this hire (because it isn't fassel) and I hope it works out; but we have to be honest that we resorted to option number 10 on our wish list thanks to our front office structure and hierarchy.

skinsfan_nn · 02-10-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

I would compromise my source by naming names. He was at Snyder's super bowl party in arizona, at the press conference this past week at redskins park and is very close to a number of people within the organization. You can take the info however you want, just putting it out there.

Well why in the world start a thread that you can't back up with anything other than..."I would compromise my source"? No offense but I take it as another worthless thread. GW was here 4 years waiting in the wings until JG retired and interviewed 3 maybe 4 times of course he wanted the HC job.

I guess you did narrow it down to a 100 people or so that nobody knows...

SouperMeister · 02-10-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

GW is a polarizing guy. For every Fletcher who runs through walls for him, you have a Pierce who can't wait to get away from him and succeed elsewhere to prove him wrong. If your info is true (and I question posts like this with no sources other than a guy I know) then it means that he will probably never get to be a good HC. Only coaches with previous rings and almost universally accepted clout are given final say over personnel.

The only beef that Pierce ever had with the Redskins is that they didn't play ball in good faith when he became a free agent after his outstanding first year as starting MLB. From all accounts, he loved playing for Williams and quarterbacking our defense. Pierce didn't ask for huge money, which made it even more troubling that he stayed in the division at a bargain rate for one of the best MLB's in the league.

wilsowilso · 02-10-2008, 01:34 PM

What I don't get is people seem to think Snyder and Cerratto don't want and wouldn't strongly value the opinions of a head coach with regards to any kind of personnel decisions. It's not like they will say to Zorn hey why don't you take the week off during the draft. We got it taken care of. Having a GM with lots of power and an overbearing owner isn't some new concept in the sports world.

02-10-2008, 09:57 AM	#1
ingibbswetrust Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 40	The reason GW DIDNT want the job According to someone with very close ties to the organization (and Snyder) Gregg Williams DIDN'T WANT the job with Vinny Cerrato calling the shots. He said he knows this for a fact. People have been chalking it up to Snyder and GW not getting along, or not "fitting" but this isn't true. Our front office structure ran him out of town, just like it kept a number of candidates from considering the job. Hopefully Zorn works out, but he'll have to win over the lockeroom before anything else.

02-10-2008, 10:00 AM	#2
mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 41 Posts: 2,119	Re: The reason GW DIDNT want the job Who/what is your source? __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

02-10-2008, 11:00 AM	#3
4mrusmc Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 559	Re: The reason GW DIDNT want the job I think back to the Lavar situation and last years "mole" in the locker room, probably gave the appearance that GW didn't have as good of control of his team as he would like everyone to think.

02-10-2008, 11:11 AM	#4
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: The reason GW DIDNT want the job I think most of us figure some variation of this to be the case, but without naming a source this thread really isn't any different than any of the other speculation that has littered this site for the past 4 weeks.

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MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,581	Re: The reason GW DIDNT want the job Oh so now GW didn't want the job, despite interviewing multiple times and saying he wanted the job. I get it now. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-10-2008, 01:11 PM	#11
ingibbswetrust Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 40	Re: The reason GW DIDNT want the job I would compromise my source by naming names. He was at Snyder's super bowl party in arizona, at the press conference this past week at redskins park and is very close to a number of people within the organization. You can take the info however you want, just putting it out there.

02-10-2008, 01:18 PM	#12
ingibbswetrust Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 40	Re: The reason GW DIDNT want the job Don't get me wrong, he wanted to job very badly just not under the circumstances presented. This is the same reason Cowher, Carrol, Spanolo, and Jim Mora all didn't want to touch this job with a 10 foot pole. Would you want to accept a job where you have nearly zero control and yet are held accountable for everything? The result: we have a previous QB coach with no head coaching experience in any capacity on his resume, who was going to be passed over for the OC position in seattle when Mora takes over next year anyways. (From JLC's blog). It's great that everyone is excited about this hire (because it isn't fassel) and I hope it works out; but we have to be honest that we resorted to option number 10 on our wish list thanks to our front office structure and hierarchy.

02-10-2008, 01:34 PM	#15
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: The reason GW DIDNT want the job What I don't get is people seem to think Snyder and Cerratto don't want and wouldn't strongly value the opinions of a head coach with regards to any kind of personnel decisions. It's not like they will say to Zorn hey why don't you take the week off during the draft. We got it taken care of. Having a GM with lots of power and an overbearing owner isn't some new concept in the sports world.

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