McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement

hesscl34 · 02-14-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

One would think you'd hope for the opposite seeing as the Skins are your favorite team. I know most fans don't hope someone sucks so they can be let go.

I hope for a good corner that doesn't get beat every game. Rogers was taking up roster space... I want to let him go and fill his spot with someone much better.

GTripp0012 · 02-14-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

I hope for a good corner that doesn't get beat every game. Rogers was taking up roster space... I want to let him go and fill his spot with someone much better.

We could...let him develop...

Again, a serious knee injury may keep him from developing, but we don't have to conclude at the end of his second season that he's a total bust (when he was the best player in our pathetic secondary that year).

I thought the first 7 games of 2007 gave us reason to think Rogers was developing. The knee injury is a definate setback, but lets wait until the end of 2008 to call Rogers a bust.

hesscl34 · 02-15-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We could...let him develop...

Again, a serious knee injury may keep him from developing, but we don't have to conclude at the end of his second season that he's a total bust (when he was the best player in our pathetic secondary that year).

I thought the first 7 games of 2007 gave us reason to think Rogers was developing. The knee injury is a definate setback, but lets wait until the end of 2008 to call Rogers a bust.

Nope, sorry. He's a bust! ... :cheeky-sm

Stuck in TX · 02-16-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

Nope, sorry. He's a bust! ... :cheeky-sm

I have to agree. I dont know if anyone else has noticed this, but it seems that Rogers is always afraid of the ball. Did anyone catch his first INT? well, he almost didnt. After watching dropt INT after dropped INT (one being in the 2005/2006 divisional playoff game vs the Seahawks) he bobbled and almost dropped the one he did intercept. I can also remember a few times this year where an arm tackle did not suffice. I have been an advocate of him being a bust since the end of his rookie season. I hope he proves me wrong this year...

I think Rocky has TONS of potential especially under a disciplined DC like Blache. As for Springs goes, he is solid, still "ageless" in his playmaking, but needs a successor in the very near future.

ZT? are you guys kidding me? come on, who's gonna tell me they would like to see Algea Crumpler here? this makes no sense. Big names dont mean a thing, especially if they are needless. Our need based FA additions are pretty much limited to DB and O Line IMO.

dmek25 · 02-14-2008, 11:32 AM

somehow, Springs got over looked for the pro bowl. last year he had an all star caliber season. he was very good, and people were still talking about him moving to safety. it seemed like the respect he had for coach Gibbs kept him playing thru some of the smaller, nagging injuries that for a different coach may have sidelined him

MTK · 02-14-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

somehow, Springs got over looked for the pro bowl. last year he had an all star caliber season. he was very good, and people were still talking about him moving to safety. it seemed like the respect he had for coach Gibbs kept him playing thru some of the smaller, nagging injuries that for a different coach may have sidelined him

Springs was great down the stretch, and his INTs against Chicago really helped kickstart the playoff run.

I just hope he can stay healthy.

GTripp0012 · 02-14-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Springs was great down the stretch, and his INTs against Chicago really helped kickstart the playoff run.

I just hope he can stay healthy.

It's a long stretch...he hasn't been totally healthy since 2005 when he was the leagues top cover corner. I doubt he will ever be totally healthy again.

I'll be cool with whichever way we go with Springs, but I don't think we can count on him at this point.

SS says we should draft a corner in the first round--I'm not sure about that but I would definately bring in some competition. If we could get Trufant, that would be ideal.

SmootSmack · 02-14-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's a long stretch...he hasn't been totally healthy since 2005 when he was the leagues top cover corner. I doubt he will ever be totally healthy again.

I'll be cool with whichever way we go with Springs, but I don't think we can count on him at this point.

SS says we should draft a corner in the first round--I'm not sure about that but I would definately bring in some competition. If we could get Trufant, that would be ideal.

I don't think I'd break the bank for a Trufant or Samuels. I think we could actually get a pretty solid DB in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Except those DBs probably wouldn't be as likely to contribute as soon as one of the guys I mentioned could be.

QBall · 02-14-2008, 02:15 PM

Samuels is better than Champ, getting him would be excellent. Rookies are really risky, they don't cover shit in college compared with what the NFC East throws out there.

GTripp0012 · 02-14-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think I'd break the bank for a Trufant or Samuels. I think we could actually get a pretty solid DB in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Except those DBs probably wouldn't be as likely to contribute as soon as one of the guys I mentioned could be.

I don't think we can break the bank.

The key to this season is depth. Brian Kelly adds depth too, and wouldn't cost half as much as Trufant, who himself won't cost half as much as Samuel.

My issue is that sitting at 21, I'm not sure a guy like Talib is the be-all-end-all to our DB issues. We could certainly do a lot worse, but I have questions surrounding Talib...like if he's just a product of Kansas' success this year. Cason--I don't know very much about him, but I know he's been on the NFL radar for quite a few seasons now.

My main point of contention with the CB position is that it doesn't seem to be a great year for it (while it is a great year for DLmen), and we will know so much more about our CB needs at this point next year than we do right now.

Certainly, the depth at that position needs to be addressed in light of Rogers' injury, and using the 21st pick there would be a good use of the pick, but only if we land a guy who is everything we think he will be.

No idea who will be around at CB in the 2nd or 3rd round, and it seems that we would be even less likely that they would fit our long term needs.

It's looking like the FO is going to have to make a decision between CB or OL this year in the draft. The draft is deep enough at DL to assume we will spend a pick there, but if we take CB in the first round, I'm not sure that we can expect to get OL help. I'd personally prefer the OL help this year as compared to CB.

dmek25 · 02-14-2008, 11:34 AM

and hessy back in full force

talking about her favorite corner

Paintrain · 02-14-2008, 12:38 PM

I'd be suprised if we didn't bring in another CB to be a starter while Rogers recovers.. It was a good thing to rest Springs a little bit early in the season because he seemed fresher late in December. Smoot is a solid CB but I don't know that you want him on an island for 16 games. We need to sign a young vet or draft one on the first day to replace Springs after '08..

At LB I don't think we need Briggs but wouldn't be opposed to him coming in.. Washington's probably in his final year so we're going to have to address it in '09 anyways.. Blades is a solid backup to Fletcher so we're good there.. Unless we can pick up a strong side LB in the draft to develop quickly, I'd rather address it this free agency season if we can..

SmootSmack · 02-14-2008, 02:38 PM

Yeah I mentioned Nnamdi a month or so back, but I thought he was pretty much guaranteed to get franchised? If not, then sure he'd be a great choice

Rajmahal33 · 02-14-2008, 03:09 PM

Don't know if someone already posted this somewhere else, but the Dolphins plan on releasing Thomas...

ESPN - Source: Dolphins to release Thomas after 11 seasons - NFL

Any thoughts? Is he worth going after to help an ailing McIntosh?

Paintrain · 02-14-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Don't know if someone already posted this somewhere else, but the Dolphins plan on releasing Thomas...

ESPN - Source: Dolphins to release Thomas after 11 seasons - NFL

Any thoughts? Is he worth going after to help an ailing McIntosh?

Yeah, I think we should.. Warrick Holdman was released earlier this week too.. We could put them together and have a great LB corp..

in 2001.

02-14-2008, 11:32 AM	#5
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement somehow, Springs got over looked for the pro bowl. last year he had an all star caliber season. he was very good, and people were still talking about him moving to safety. it seemed like the respect he had for coach Gibbs kept him playing thru some of the smaller, nagging injuries that for a different coach may have sidelined him __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-14-2008, 02:15 PM	#9
QBall Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 351	Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement Samuels is better than Champ, getting him would be excellent. Rookies are really risky, they don't cover shit in college compared with what the NFC East throws out there. __________________ IT WAS THE TIME OF THE PREACHER.............IN THE YEAR OF 01'. NOW THAT THE LESSON IS OVER, THE KILLINGS BEGUN.......

02-14-2008, 11:34 AM	#11
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement and hessy back in full force talking about her favorite corner __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

02-14-2008, 12:38 PM	#12
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement I'd be suprised if we didn't bring in another CB to be a starter while Rogers recovers.. It was a good thing to rest Springs a little bit early in the season because he seemed fresher late in December. Smoot is a solid CB but I don't know that you want him on an island for 16 games. We need to sign a young vet or draft one on the first day to replace Springs after '08.. At LB I don't think we need Briggs but wouldn't be opposed to him coming in.. Washington's probably in his final year so we're going to have to address it in '09 anyways.. Blades is a solid backup to Fletcher so we're good there.. Unless we can pick up a strong side LB in the draft to develop quickly, I'd rather address it this free agency season if we can.. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

02-14-2008, 02:38 PM	#13
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement Yeah I mentioned Nnamdi a month or so back, but I thought he was pretty much guaranteed to get franchised? If not, then sure he'd be a great choice __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-14-2008, 03:09 PM	#14
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: McIntosh and Rogers effect on player movement Don't know if someone already posted this somewhere else, but the Dolphins plan on releasing Thomas... ESPN - Source: Dolphins to release Thomas after 11 seasons - NFL Any thoughts? Is he worth going after to help an ailing McIntosh? __________________ McNasty FTW!

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