This is a GOOD reason why we shouldn't touch a WR in the 1st.

[SeanTaylor21]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Interesting theory, safeties are the new corners. Especially in a cover two style defense where the corners don't have to match up man-to-man. But, you still have to have decent corners. I think the Colts have knack for evaluating good db's because of Dungy.

Without research i can name Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson, and Tim Jennings. I have no clue who the Steelers corners are though. (I must admit i was in a fantasy football league that kept individual defense player stats.)
--Good point.

Bryant McFadden I think and Ike Taylor.

[Dirtyskin21]

^^ i remember reading that blache said that. I just hope we can trade down and get 2-2nd rounders cus that would be awesome. Hopefully the falcons will want to pick up whoever we have at 21.

[airsoftking]

I agree, but I think a 2nd or 3rd round WR will not fill our #2 WR spot. We need FA or a trade. Since there's nobody left in FA, then let's trade.

[dmek25]

we need linemen. its that simple. and if the redskins felt that corner was that pressing of a need, Mr. Hall would be in Washington right now

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by dmek25

we need linemen. its that simple. and if the redskins felt that corner was that pressing of a need, Mr. Hall would be in Washington right now

maybe it isn't "that pressing of a need" but there are a couple other good reasons d. hall isn't here: 1) his $ demands, 2) his attitude.

That doesn't mean it's not a position of need. I wouldn't be surprised if we took a cb, wr, de w/our 1st pick, I think it'll come down to who is the best available player from a select few positions.

[Rajmahal33]

What about a draft day trade of the #21 pick...I would like to pick up a 2nd and possibly a later pick in this years draft OR a day 1 pick in next years draft. Reasons:
- looks like we are positioning ourselves to make some moves during next year's offseason so it would be good to pick up an extra pick or two (as trade potential or to make up for players to be cut to make room for big $ FA's).
- this draft is deep, and if we can draft a player with little talent drop off in the 35-50 range as we do at the 21 spot, I think that we should do it.
- Imagine if we were able to get 3 picks in next year's draft in the first two rounds (our 2 + 1 we acquire in this transaction)...thats how you build quality depth and secure urself for many years to come...
- We have some vets who are getting old but still have at least one or two good seasons left in them. They can hold out for their replacements to be drafted for one more year.
- Along with the previous point, our superstars aren't going anywhere for the next 4-5 years and if we can build quality depth over the next 2 years, we can make a run for something of a dynasty in future years.
- Just in case we do go after Cowher next year when he is ready, it would be good to give him as many picks as possible...(keepin the dream alive, haha :cheeky-sm)

[TheMalcolmConnection]

While you can say that film doesn't lie, you're also saying it from the eye of a non-football professional. There are many intricacies that coaches see that we don't. Just because I saw someone get burned in a certain game, doesn't mean they're any less capable of playing in the NFL.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

While you can say that film doesn't lie, you're also saying it from the eye of a non-football professional. There are many intricacies that coaches see that we don't. Just because I saw someone get burned in a certain game, doesn't mean they're any less capable of playing in the NFL.

Some scouts and former opponents see it from my perspective as well. When I gather a list of names I will let you have them.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Some scouts and former opponents see it from my perspective as well. When I gather a list of names I will let you have them.

for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by dmek25

for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?

Long is absolutely a first round pick. Maybe not an overall number one, but who is in this draft? The money difference between the first pick and the 31 is not nearly the difference in talent this year.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by dmek25

for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?

W/all due respect, I think you either haven't watched much UVA football, or if you have you don't pay attention to the line play or listen to the commentators when they talk about how Long was getting double teamed or how he penetrated the line and forced a running play the other way.

I watched a good no. of uva games & Chris Long has played lights out the past 2 years. He's got a great motor, good size, strength & speed & good moves. He'll struggle like most rookies do in the nfl, as he'll have to learn how to use his hands to keep OTs from holding him or locking him up, but he looks like a solid nfl player at least.

A "workout guy" is usually someone a little short on game production, that's not the case for Long. He's got game film & stats to go along w/his combine workout.

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

W/all due respect, I think you either haven't watched much UVA football, or if you have you don't pay attention to the line play or listen to the commentators when they talk about how Long was getting double teamed or how he penetrated the line and forced a running play the other way.

I watched a good no. of uva games & Chris Long has played lights out the past 2 years. He's got a great motor, good size, strength & speed & good moves. He'll struggle like most rookies do in the nfl, as he'll have to learn how to use his hands to keep OTs from holding him or locking him up, but he looks like a solid nfl player at least.

A "workout guy" is usually someone a little short on game production, that's not the case for Long. He's got game film & stats to go along w/his combine workout.

I agree, except that chris long already uses his hands crazy..Scouts were exceptionally surprised to see how he used his hands on pro day and whatever. I think he will be a force instantly guys. And IM willing to bet on it. He's big,fast,smart,great work ethic,quick,GREAT motor, and great athlete.

And he comes from a Hall of Famer. HE knows what it takes to win, he has tat mentality, and he has been groomed his whole life for this here, right now. Chris Long will be something the Dolphins can build their franchise around. No matter what he ends up playing.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by dmek25

for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?

Is this a joke? While I'm not going to predict his pro career, he was flat out AMAZING in college. We're talking about a 3-4 defensive end here who was constantly fighting off double teams. He carried that team on his back, and without him they maybe win 5 games. To say that he's not even a first rounder shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Is this a joke? While I'm not going to predict his pro career, he was flat out AMAZING in college. We're talking about a 3-4 defensive end here who was constantly fighting off double teams. He carried that team on his back, and without him they maybe win 5 games. To say that he's not even a first rounder shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

absolutely correct.

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by dmek25

for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?

BULLLLLSHIT,, Chris Long is the safest pick in this draft. HE can be used in SO many positions on your team, and his character and work ethic is AWESOME. He can be a stand up linebacker, he can rush off the edge, he can do it all. I wish there was somehow we could land Chris because he will be a GREAT player for years to come. You dont grow up with a pedigree like that and then go and play football like he did for UVA, and then bust in the NFL. IT's not gonna happen, his work ethic is TOO strong and his dad and who knows has been grooming him since he was born to be here.