This is a GOOD reason why we shouldn't touch a WR in the 1st.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmek25

for every good scouting report, there is another bad one. i guarantee there are more teams out there that would love to have Cromartie on their team, then not. and the player in this draft that i think is running the biggest sham, is Howie Longs son. the guy is no where near the player that people are predicting to be a first rounder. had 2 or 3 games, max, that was outstanding in. all the other games, he disappeared. just a workout guy. too me, very similar to Mike Mumula. anyone remember him?

Very rarely, does a player come along that you already know enough about him before he gets drafted to say that he's a lock to be a top 5 pick, but there are really no questions Chris Long has to answer.

With absolutely no relation to Howie, this kid still has the stuff to be a top 5 selection. The fact that he's got the same blood as an NFL hall of famer gives you insight into his mental makeup that we have very little ability to judge on other prospects.

We use the phrase "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" to make an excuse for a kid who gets into trouble, and instead to blame the parents for the mismanagement of the undisciplined child. That phrase can work in a good sense too. Clearly he's got elite talent, but while all the other players with elite talent are relative unknowns in terms of work ethic, you KNOW that Chris Long won't have any issues with handling the mental load of the NFL because his gene set has already been proven to handle it.

Now I'm not saying that every NFL player will have a kid who will also grow up to be an NFL player. Obviously, that's not the case, but in Long's case...he would be a top 5 pick in the draft if he had NO ties to Howie, and the fact that he does makes him as close to a sure thing as the draft can offer.

[schndr_tdd]

Darrell Green has been working with Cromartie,case closed.

[Rajmahal33]

I don't know about case closed but the fact that Darrell Green is working with him is a BIG plus. I don't see green coaching him unless there was either serious interest in him by the washington staff or unless green saw something special in him. At the very least it shows me that cromartie isn't just a "track star playing football", but rather a two sport guy very similar to Darrell Green himself.

[KLHJ2]

Even Deion Sanders said "I have my name on you" to Cromartie at the scouting combine. All of that means nothing, Rogers-Cromartie still has to be the one that performs on Sundays; not Darrell Green, Primetime, or his cousin Antonio can perform for him. This is my gut feeling that too much stock is being invested in this kid for all the wrong reasons.
We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Dirtyskin21]

Alot of people pay to work out with Darrell Green, thats how he makes his money these days.. He has taught a lot of prospects coming int othe draft, he has a webpage. I think Welcome to Darrell Green.com but I see darrell around here in newport news sometimes like a year or so ago cus he would come watch his son play football.

[dmek25]

for i am too lazy to look, anyone care to post his senior year/ career stats? i don't think he what he is perceived to be. strictly my opinion

[Dirtyskin21]

Originally Posted by dmek25

for i am too lazy to look, anyone care to post his senior year/ career stats? i don't think he what he is perceived to be. strictly my opinion

are you going to give any kind of arguement? or is it just because you dont like the way he looks? and the fact his dad is a HOF? and is on tv all the time? seriously, at least give a reason why you think he's overrated. Cus so far everyone has given you reasons why he ISNT.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Dirtyskin21

are you going to give any kind of arguement? or is it just because you dont like the way he looks? and the fact his dad is a HOF? and is on tv all the time? seriously, at least give a reason why you think he's overrated. Cus so far everyone has given you reasons why he ISNT.

like i said earlier, he had 3 good games as a senior. his rise in draft status is due to being a work out warrior. i actually like his dad on the pre game show. im not sure why your getting so worked up over someone that will never wear a skins uni. maybe you and him should be posting in the man crush thread? i really have nothing against him. i just think someone is going to make a huge mistake taking him so early

[freddyg12]

Long shows scouts LB skills - Roanoke.com

here's an article on his pro day, also note that Buges was there to evaluate Albert. I'll try & look up his stats as well but saw this & thought it was interesting.

[Dirtyskin21]

Also, college career stats are skewed, and if you wanna look at his senior stats, im sure they are monsterish. You can't even compare a players freshman year to his senior year, this is why the stats are skewed, but im pretty sure Chris still have decent stats. He has played lights out for over 2 years

[Dirtyskin21]

""I have no preference where I go; I have no preference where I'm picked. What's important is the career after that, whether you're picked [No.] 1 through 30." - chris long


how could you NOT want this guy on your team?? he's a peyton manning on the Defense.

[freddyg12]

From wikipedia for what it's worth:

Career Stats
2004 5 tackles, 2 for loss, 1 sack.
2005 46 tackles, 10 for a loss, 2 sacks, 7 passes broken up
2006 57 tackles, 12 for a loss, 5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 pass broken up
2007 79 tackles, 19 for a loss, 14 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 10 passes broken up and 1 interception.
Total 187 tackles, 43 for a loss, 22 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 17 passes broken up and 1 interception.

[Dirtyskin21]

^ that's the type of player you want.. A player that every year, has gotten better as he's been coached. He is a specimen.

[Dirtyskin21]

gave you some reputation points freddy for posting them stats. good job.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Dirtyskin21

gave you some reputation points freddy for posting them stats. good job.

thanks!