Do we overvalue the draft?

SKINSnCANES · 04-22-2008, 02:29 PM

I would venture to say people dont have a problem trading for talent. The problem is that you cant live by it. A top ten pick is a huge huge contract. but after that the players are cheap for many years.

we trade our picks every year. yes somehow we always are under the cap. but we force our players to change their contracts. they dont have to, one day they may not.

The draft is a risk, but a cheap way to get talent. and it keeps your team young.

Id love to get CJ, or Allen... but it wouldnt hurt to acutally use our draft picks for once, save some money, hope to get talent...

SouperMeister · 04-23-2008, 09:12 AM

Look no further than the last Super Bowl - the Giants and the Patriots BOTH built mostly through the draft. That has worked out pretty well for both. I'm hoping that we start doing more of the same.

GTripp0012 · 04-22-2008, 02:37 PM

The goal is to add talent for the future in the best possible way. Sometimes, you can trade for a 23 year old Running Back with his best years ahead of him. The problem is, it's incredibly difficult to get players who aren't already at the peak of their career through free agency.

The good thing about draft picks (not in the top 5, but after that) is that for the cost of nothing (money wise) you can get top end NFL talent that will improve over the life of their rookie contracts. The picks in themselves are worth nothing, but you can't get talent that will improve unless you have them.

You have to add a veteran talent if you can get him at a bargain price. That's how winning franchises are built. Established talent is a very safe bet to continue success in the short term, but also are a safe bet to begin declining as soon as they are signed.

The draft in terms of importance, is as a whole, valued properly. By the end of the rookie contract (at least a 5 or 6 year contract), a team has already gotten most of the best games out of a player, and is often wise to let him walk if they can replace him for less money.

SmootSmack · 04-22-2008, 02:41 PM

I didn't call them stars. I called them talent. Talent that have been able to step up when needed, and provide depth to the team.

GTripp0012 · 04-22-2008, 02:46 PM

We do need a young receiver to grow with Campbell and to take over the Number 1 receiver job in a few years regardless of what we do with Chad Johnson. If we trade a pick for Johnson, where are we going to get this receiver?

Or are we going balls out the next two years trying to win a Super Bowl before we become an over the hill team in 2010, much like 2006?

Additionally, if Santana is ever going to have a rebound season, it's going to be now, at age 29. This is a perfect year to draft the WR of the future in the 2nd round, and we're doing our best to blow it.

SmootSmack · 04-22-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We do need a young receiver to grow with Campbell and to take over the Number 1 receiver job in a few years regardless of what we do with Chad Johnson. If we trade a pick for Johnson, where are we going to get this receiver?

Or are we going balls out the next two years trying to win a Super Bowl before we become an over the hill team in 2010, much like 2006?

Um...hello? Anthony Mix! Where the hell have you been the last three months

GTripp0012 · 04-22-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Um...hello? Anthony Mix! Where the hell have you been the last three months

No! I forgot all about him!

Nevermind, we are set

SKINSnCANES · 04-22-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Um...hello? Anthony Mix! Where the hell have you been the last three months

heh, we'll be fine. Zorn will implement timing routes, and slants, and lots of things that small speedy guys excel at that we didnt use last year.

then cooley and sellers will get all our tds until Mix gets used to the 'jump ball'

MTK · 04-22-2008, 03:57 PM

Yeah I'm not sure how trading one pick this year means the entire draft is shot.

steveo395 · 04-22-2008, 04:10 PM

we finally have alot of picks rather than trade them as usual and now u guys have a problem with that?

Daseal · 04-22-2008, 04:48 PM

Steveo -- the point isn't that we have picks, it's what are the worth? Salary cap issues are a valid concern with these big WRs were looking at (although I think the owners opt out of the CBA and doubt both sides get a resolution until a strike is near making 2010 uncapped.) However, I think its a bit outrageous to think that our first and 3rd round picks would turn into more than what Chad Johnson or Roy Williams could give us. Do any receivers in this years draft really excite you? Not me?

There's nothing wrong with keeping picks, but people want to keep picks for the sake of keeping them, not doing what's best for our team.

The Redskins fanbase seems to be feast or famine. As someone said earlier, a balanced approach at FA, Trades, and drafting is necessary. Drafting is necessary for depth.

Skinny Tee · 04-22-2008, 10:04 PM

Change of tactics: Redskins put draft ahead of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Sorry, this article is more appropriate in this thread. Check it out.

jsarno · 04-23-2008, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Change of tactics: Redskins put draft ahead of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Sorry, this article is more appropriate in this thread. Check it out.

The way we're went after CJ and then Boldin, we seem to be very trigger happy to give away picks again.

jsarno · 04-23-2008, 11:18 AM

It depends on who you're talking to. Cause the Skins have devalued the draft for years and we haven't won anything. But if we to rely solely on the draft, we wouldn't go anywhere either. We need to find a happy medium.
I think most of us here are sick of giving our picks away and know it's time to be a little more frugal with the picks.

MTK · 04-23-2008, 11:36 AM

What surprises me is some people seem shocked that the Redskins are trying to aquire a big name WR. Nobody from the front office ever said they are only going to look to the draft this year. Vinny spelled it out quite clearly that if a player was out there that they valued, they would go after him whether that means through a trade, free agency, or the draft.

I'm seeing alot of people trying to say that the Skins emphasis on the draft is somehow out the window now because they shopped 1 pick this year and 1 pick the next. All of a sudden it's back to their old free spending ways, the draft is blown, the future is down the crapper.... blah blah blah. Again, nobody from the Redskins front office ever said they were going to ignore free agency and or trading for players.

04-22-2008, 02:29 PM	#1
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,455	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? I would venture to say people dont have a problem trading for talent. The problem is that you cant live by it. A top ten pick is a huge huge contract. but after that the players are cheap for many years. we trade our picks every year. yes somehow we always are under the cap. but we force our players to change their contracts. they dont have to, one day they may not. The draft is a risk, but a cheap way to get talent. and it keeps your team young. Id love to get CJ, or Allen... but it wouldnt hurt to acutally use our draft picks for once, save some money, hope to get talent... __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-23-2008, 09:12 AM	#2
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Look no further than the last Super Bowl - the Giants and the Patriots BOTH built mostly through the draft. That has worked out pretty well for both. I'm hoping that we start doing more of the same.

04-22-2008, 02:37 PM	#3
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? The goal is to add talent for the future in the best possible way. Sometimes, you can trade for a 23 year old Running Back with his best years ahead of him. The problem is, it's incredibly difficult to get players who aren't already at the peak of their career through free agency. The good thing about draft picks (not in the top 5, but after that) is that for the cost of nothing (money wise) you can get top end NFL talent that will improve over the life of their rookie contracts. The picks in themselves are worth nothing, but you can't get talent that will improve unless you have them. You have to add a veteran talent if you can get him at a bargain price. That's how winning franchises are built. Established talent is a very safe bet to continue success in the short term, but also are a safe bet to begin declining as soon as they are signed. The draft in terms of importance, is as a whole, valued properly. By the end of the rookie contract (at least a 5 or 6 year contract), a team has already gotten most of the best games out of a player, and is often wise to let him walk if they can replace him for less money. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-22-2008, 02:41 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? I didn't call them stars. I called them talent. Talent that have been able to step up when needed, and provide depth to the team. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-22-2008, 02:46 PM	#5
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? We do need a young receiver to grow with Campbell and to take over the Number 1 receiver job in a few years regardless of what we do with Chad Johnson. If we trade a pick for Johnson, where are we going to get this receiver? Or are we going balls out the next two years trying to win a Super Bowl before we become an over the hill team in 2010, much like 2006? Additionally, if Santana is ever going to have a rebound season, it's going to be now, at age 29. This is a perfect year to draft the WR of the future in the 2nd round, and we're doing our best to blow it. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-22-2008, 03:57 PM	#9
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Yeah I'm not sure how trading one pick this year means the entire draft is shot. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-22-2008, 04:10 PM	#10
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? we finally have alot of picks rather than trade them as usual and now u guys have a problem with that? __________________

04-22-2008, 04:48 PM	#11
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Steveo -- the point isn't that we have picks, it's what are the worth? Salary cap issues are a valid concern with these big WRs were looking at (although I think the owners opt out of the CBA and doubt both sides get a resolution until a strike is near making 2010 uncapped.) However, I think its a bit outrageous to think that our first and 3rd round picks would turn into more than what Chad Johnson or Roy Williams could give us. Do any receivers in this years draft really excite you? Not me? There's nothing wrong with keeping picks, but people want to keep picks for the sake of keeping them, not doing what's best for our team. The Redskins fanbase seems to be feast or famine. As someone said earlier, a balanced approach at FA, Trades, and drafting is necessary. Drafting is necessary for depth. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

04-22-2008, 10:04 PM	#12
Skinny Tee The Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Redskins Nation Posts: 1,715	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? Change of tactics: Redskins put draft ahead of free agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports Sorry, this article is more appropriate in this thread. Check it out. __________________ Redskinsly, _________Skinny Tee_________

04-23-2008, 11:18 AM	#14
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 51 Posts: 9,534	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? It depends on who you're talking to. Cause the Skins have devalued the draft for years and we haven't won anything. But if we to rely solely on the draft, we wouldn't go anywhere either. We need to find a happy medium. I think most of us here are sick of giving our picks away and know it's time to be a little more frugal with the picks. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

04-23-2008, 11:36 AM	#15
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Do we overvalue the draft? What surprises me is some people seem shocked that the Redskins are trying to aquire a big name WR. Nobody from the front office ever said they are only going to look to the draft this year. Vinny spelled it out quite clearly that if a player was out there that they valued, they would go after him whether that means through a trade, free agency, or the draft. I'm seeing alot of people trying to say that the Skins emphasis on the draft is somehow out the window now because they shopped 1 pick this year and 1 pick the next. All of a sudden it's back to their old free spending ways, the draft is blown, the future is down the crapper.... blah blah blah. Again, nobody from the Redskins front office ever said they were going to ignore free agency and or trading for players. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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