Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Does it prominently factor in deciding your vote?

I will take this as a question to all.

No and yes. I won't for someone because of the VEEP but it is an interesting development always and in some cases it does offer insight into the main candidates. I think in this case McCain's choice is more important ultimately than Obama's. Looking at both candidates it strikes me that while Biden doesn't offer much to Obama other than "he is safe" Palin offers McCain's is a homerun swing. It is either going to go foul or be a grandslam.

She seems like a doer. Somone who actually achieves things. It is hard for long time Senators to come across like that. Or Senators in general I guess. Put it this way. Knowing very little about her admittedly; if i had to chose, from the four main people right, now someone to run my city or be a principal at my child's school, I'd choose her over all the others. Not nearly comparable responsibilties I know but it reflects how apathetic I am towards the three Senators running for the biggest jobs in our country. I guess I don't like Senators all that much. They just seem like do nothings to me.

[saden1]

If Obama is inexperienced, Palin is woefully inexperienced. How is McCain going to play the experience and national security card? Seriously, at 72 he has one foot in the grave and his VP was nothing more than a mayor of a small town one and half years ago. Palin is also batshit crazy...no abortion in case of rape and incest! She'll get the Hillary vote alright.



I'm looking forward to the VP debate.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

If Obama is inexperienced, Palin is woefully inexperienced. How is McCain going to play the experience and national security card? Seriously, at 72 he has one foot in the grave and his VP was nothing more than a mayor of a small town one and half years ago. Palin is also batshit crazy...no abortion in case of rape and incest! She'll get the Hillary vote alright.



I'm looking forward to the VP debate.

You're right, if people think that because she was/is a governor that somehow translates to executive experience, they are mistaken. She's a first term governor and was previously the mayor of a city the size of Mayberry. McCain has effectively, if not taken the experience argument off the table, at least undermined it.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

If Obama is inexperienced, Palin is woefully inexperienced. How is McCain going to play the experience and national security card? Seriously, at 72 he has one foot in the grave and his VP was nothing more than a mayor of a small town one and half years ago. Palin is also batshit crazy...no abortion in case of rape and incest! She'll get the Hillary vote alright.



I'm looking forward to the VP debate.

Woefully? She is the only one who has actual experience running a government.


"batshit crazy" there you go sounding completely sane a reasonable again. I know you disagree but I think you could state your arguments more eloquently sometimes and probably be much more persuasive man.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Woefully? She is the only one who has actual experience running a government.


"batshit crazy" there you go sounding completely sane a reasonable again. I know you disagree but I think you could state your arguments more eloquently sometimes and probably be much more persuasive man.

Come now, you're saying she's more qualified/experienced than McCain or Obama to be president/vp?

What does it mean to be anti-abortion in the case of rape or incest? It's the most cruel thing I can imagine you can do to a woman after suffering a traumatic event. Oh "I know you have been raped/molest but you got to carry that child to term because [insert crazy religious reason]."

I was correct in my assessment but gentleman as I am I'll just say she is highly disagreeable.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

Come now, you're saying she's more qualified/experienced than McCain or Obama to be president/vp?

What does it mean to be anti-abortion in the case of rape or incest? It's the most cruel thing I can imagine you can do to a woman after suffering a traumatic event. Oh "I know you have been raped/molest but you got to carry that child to term because [insert crazy religious reason]."

I was correct in my assessment but gentleman as I am I'll just say she is highly disagreeable.

Not at all over McCain but Obama has no more experience than her that is relevant to me. In the end though I think experience is over-rated. No one has experience enough to do this job 100% right and piss 50% of the country.

I just thought your statement was somewhat intellectually dishonest. msheig made a better argument I think.

As to the question of abortion: pro-lifers are just that. They believe in life. A life is a life is a life to them. Killing a life is bad to them. (the previous statement should not be construed to be that of my own)

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Not at all over McCain but Obama has no more experience than her that is relevant to me. In the end though I think experience is over-rated. No one has experience enough to do this job 100% right and piss 50% of the country.

I just thought your statement was somewhat intellectually dishonest. msheig made a better argument I think.

As to the question of abortion: pro-lifers are just that. They believe in life. A life is a life is a life to them. Killing a life is bad to them. (the previous statement should not be construed to be that of my own)

Why is my statement intellectually dishonest? I simply said McCain can't play the experience and national security card he has been playing given his VP pick. I mean look at his ads. As I have said countless times, I believe experience is overrated and overplayed. You can have all the experience in the world and still lack sound judgment and have poor policy.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by saden1

If Obama is inexperienced, Palin is woefully inexperienced. How is McCain going to play the experience and national security card? Seriously, at 72 he has one foot in the grave and his VP was nothing more than a mayor of a small town one and half years ago.

Really?

Obama is 47 and has been in the U.S. Senate for about three years. Palin is 44 and has been governor of Alaska for about three years.

Obama spent a decade or so in the Illinois state senate. Palin spent a decade or so on the city council and as a mayor.

Sure, I'll grant the edge in experience to Obama vs Palin, but trying to contrast them as night and day or super-experienced vs. childlike is a gross overstatement.

Originally Posted by saden1

Palin is also batshit crazy...no abortion in case of rape and incest! She'll get the Hillary vote alright.

Nothing furthers productive political discourse like declaring a party "batshit crazy."

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Really?

Obama is 47 and has been in the U.S. Senate for about three years. Palin is 44 and has been governor of Alaska for about three years.

Obama spent a decade or so in the Illinois state senate. Palin spent a decade or so on the city council and as a mayor.

Sure, I'll grant the edge in experience to Obama vs Palin, but trying to contrast them as night and day or super-experienced vs. childlike is a gross overstatement.



Nothing furthers productive political discourse like declaring a party "batshit crazy."

Palin took office in December 2006. Not even two years to date.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Palin took office in December 2006. Not even two years to date.

You say tomato, I say tomahto, what's the difference of few years between friends eh?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

You say tomato, I say tomahto, what's the difference of few years between friends eh?

Exactly.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

If Obama is inexperienced, Palin is woefully inexperienced. How is McCain going to play the experience and national security card? Seriously, at 72 he has one foot in the grave and his VP was nothing more than a mayor of a small town one and half years ago. Palin is also batshit crazy...no abortion in case of rape and incest! She'll get the Hillary vote alright.



I'm looking forward to the VP debate.

While it seems crazy that someone would be against abortion in case of rape and incest its really not that crazy when you think about how they feel. If a person believes that its a living baby (or what ever they call it) then they would believe this even if it is rap or incest and that makes sense. She does back her idea's with action as she gave birth to a baby with down sindrom (spelling). I read that around 80% of children found to have down cindrom are aborted. That hugh of a number really shocked me but that could be because a buddy has a child with this and I know he would have never even considered abortion.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Palin is also batshit crazy...no abortion in case of rape and incest!

I'm not a hard line pro lifer in the slightest, but do explain why this is a "batshit crazy" position given the implication from the religious right that Abortion is a form of Murder.

Given that implication, the next step in logic tells us that two moral wrongs would not make a right.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not a hard line pro lifer in the slightest, but do explain why this is a "batshit crazy" position given the implication from the religious right that Abortion is a form of Murder.

Given that implication, the next step in logic tells us that two moral wrongs would not make a right.

Oh that explains it. She's a pro-life Christian so it's OK to have vulgar and unreasonable religious beliefs?

Two wrongs? What is wrong is imposing your religious beliefs on others through legislative means.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by saden1

Oh that explains it. She's a pro-life Christian so it's OK to have vulgar and unreasonable religious beliefs?

Two wrongs? What is wrong is imposing your religious beliefs on others through legislative means.

What's vulgar and unreasonable to you could be simple common sense to someone else, and to argue that your position should be considered the higher authority in all disagreements is beyond ignorant, it would be arrogant and utterly pathetic.

Which is why, to avoid such a situation, I feel you would be wise to master the skill of arguing based on implications. If the implication is "abortion=murder" (which is something I don't even necessarily agree with, but a lot of very intelligent people do), then you can't act like the people who believe this are inherently wrong. To do so would be batshit crazy.