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[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Didn't we give him two seasons with Al Saunders offense. He never shined there either. Listen, He is just O.K. Maybe alittle better than Kyle Orton.

Who has shined in Al Saunders offense? ......Trent Green? NO!!! How many super bowls or playoffs appearances besides last year has the Saunders offense produced since the 2000's?

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Who has shined in Al Saunders offense? ......Trent Green? NO!!! How many super bowls or playoffs appearances besides last year has the Saunders offense produced since the 2000's?

KC's offense was actually really good but their D sucked.
So thats way they didn't make the playoffs. If they had a solid d they would have been playoff bound. All that i'm trying to say is that JC seems unsure at times. I know he had 30 different O's in the last 8 years but it just seems he'll never be pro-bowl bound regardless. Listen I hope i'm wrong, I really do.
I live for this shit. If the Redskins suck i'm fucking miserable.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Yeah but how can you bail on a guy who has done everything right and is a team leader - by all accounts working harder than anyone the last two offseasons in spite of having his learning curve complicated by a constantly rotating offensive system - after one game in a new system?

It sounds like you are making the same criticisms of Campbell's performance against the Giants that many, including me, have made in other threads; the difference is that you are framing them as irreparable flaws, not correctible hiccups. Where I see a bad game, you seem to see a bad player. When one of your athletically gifted players holds the ball too long habitually, for example, do you bail on him or do you coach him up? Does it never occur to you that players are more likely to play with hesitation when they are still learning a new system?

Gotta address this. You cannot teach reaction speed to conditions a guy hasn't seen before. Some guys just process better tham others. To me, it looked like Colt may have that gift (though he is not ready to start yet). Jason doesn't seem to have it, but attempts to make up for it through hard work. Can he learn to learn to get the ball out faster? Yes. Can he learn to operate the system effectively, Yes. Can he learn to make better instantaneous decisions under pressure? NO! And this will probably keep him from being an elite QB. I stress the word "instantaneous". The ability to do this has a lot to do with how you brain is wired. The decisions are subconscious. Most of your brains wiring is complete by adolesence. It can be improved marginally, but only so much. There are other statgies that can be used to improve decision making, but I'm not sure they apply well to football. The book "Blink" offers some insight.
The good news is that Jason doesn't need to be elite. He just has to be good, effective, and steady.

Also, I wish people would stop telling us how they "feel" about certain players (i.e. Devin Thomas). Support Your position with facts not feelings.

[KWilly_2003]

No, I didn't discredit anyone. He is like the other "so called" redskins fans. He just tried to cover it up by throwing football terms out there. Everyone has the right to post their opinion, its just a shame they keep throwing the team under the bus. By the way on a side note, I'm pissed Tom Brady's leg didn't snap in half....I'm just throwing that out there.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by KWilly_2003

No, I didn't discredit anyone. He is like the other "so called" redskins fans. He just tried to cover it up by throwing football terms out there. Everyone has the right to post their opinion, its just a shame they keep throwing the team under the bus. By the way on a side note, I'm pissed Tom Brady's leg didn't snap in half....I'm just throwing that out there.

lol man you one angry dude!!!!

[That Guy]

too much brady hate. it's not his fault he's good or his team's a winner... if you don't like that bill might be a bit sjady, that's understandable, but brady didn't wake up yesterday and kill your mom or eat your children...

[SOUL-SKINS]

Its pretty simple actually......when you got it you got it, when you don't you don't,
unfortunatly JC doesn't. Hello! He is 1-5 in his last 6 starts. Thats fucking horrible.

[SmootSmack]

Campbell's been talking lately about having trouble seeing the WRs through the linemen (particularly when he's not lining up in shotgun formation). Maybe I'm reading way too much into it but it's almost like he's saying "Once I get guys in there closer to my height (Kelly and Thomas). It will be much easier"

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Campbell's been talking lately about having trouble seeing the WRs through the linemen (particularly when he's not lining up in shotgun formation). Maybe I'm reading way too much into it but it's almost like he's saying "Once I get guys in there closer to my height (Kelly and Thomas). It will be much easier"

As tall as JC is, this doesn't make sesne. He as tall or taller than most of the linemen.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

As tall as JC is, this doesn't make sesne. He as tall or taller than most of the linemen.

However Zorn has adjusted Campbell's stance in the pocket, not wanting him to stand so tall, but in a more compact/athletic setup. Perhaps that has changed Campbell's view of the developing play compared to the past.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

However Zorn has adjusted Campbell's stance in the pocket, not wanting him to stand so tall, but in a more compact/athletic setup. Perhaps that has changed Campbell's view of the developing play compared to the past.

I agree with this.. I'm sure this has created issues with his stance/view.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I agree with this.. I'm sure this has created issues with his stance/view.

I agree also. I am wondering why would he have him at a disadvantage coming from under snap in a lower stance. That may take a precious second from him releasing the ball having to come out of the crouch position and then having to stand up at his height. It may not make a difference though. I am just wondering. I also see that they deployed the shot gun and it seem to work better. Why because he is standing straight up and doesn't have to fall into a upward stance. Which may be why he can't see his receivers as quick as he likes.

Another thing is. People quesion his intelligence. But it seems when they run the no huddle offense htis year and last year Jason does well.

I think Zorn should have practice having a quicker release more than a squatted stance for a guy show is 6'5. Makes no sense to me.. Especially when we have short receivers.

Someone made a good point about Collins and Brennan working with the second stringers in the preseason. They are taller than our starting receivers. But that is no excuse.

Zorn needs to work with what he has in JC. Also use his mobility. I thought mobility can be a strength in the WCO. But he is not rolling JC out as much and is making him too stationary. Its good to stay in the pocket. But when you have short receivers it might be better for him to roll out and use his talents. I recall JC running for several first downs when nothing was available. I dont think I have seen him run this whole preseaon or in the first game.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

As tall as JC is, this doesn't make sesne. He as tall or taller than most of the linemen.

6'5 JC----------6'6 Samuels-------------5'9 Moss



I kind of see how it's hard to see

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

6'5 JC----------6'6 Samuels-------------5'9 Moss



I kind of see how it's hard to see

Just to add: Thomas is 6'5, Kendall is 6'6, Rabach is 6'4, and Heyer is 6'6.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just to add: Thomas is 6'5, Kendall is 6'6, Rabach is 6'4, and Heyer is 6'6.

Are you really going to agrue about inches (1 or 2)?

Collins and Brunell had no issues finding Moss and other receivers through their very tall linemen....