A few notes on Ramsey:

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Sunra, I know you don't like Ramsey, but do you stand by your earlier comments (from previous weeks) that Brunell should be the starting QB? Or have you joined the Ramsey "bandwagon?"

P.S. I'm not trying to be smart ass.

It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity. Brunell was clearly brought here because Ramsey wasn't ready. Had he been ready, I would have been the first to support him. But I'm not going to blindly follow this unproven guy into a ditch. I'm saying let's wait and see what he develops into in the next weeks because I don't want the excuse to be well he had only seven games he started in and he needs more time. I guarantee you, if Ramsey does not establish some consistency on avoiding the sack and throwing INT's he will not start next year. Gibbs will ask Brunell to re-negotiate his contract and Drew Brees, John Kitna or Quincy Carter might be auditioning for a QB spot.

[Redskins_P]

[QUOTE=SUNRA]It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity. [QUOTE]


If you don't like mediocrity, then why did you blindly follow Brunell? I'm not trying to bust your balls, but you defended Brunell left and right and nobody really said anything. But then you got guys in here supporting and defending Ramsey and you're always trying to find something negative about him. Let's remember that Ramsey is 25 years old, so of course he's going to make mistakes, of course he's gonna throw some INT's. Give him some time to mature, then judge him.

We all judge Brunell because he's a veteran, and he's a proven player. He's been in the league for over 10 years and unfortunately we got him right when his play was declining. He came in and stunk up the joint. You have to admit that.

Like I said before, I'm not trying to bust your balls. This isn't a personal attack.

[SUNRA]

[QUOTE=Redskins_P][QUOTE=SUNRA]It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity. [QUOTE]


If you don't like mediocrity, then why did you blindly follow Brunell? I'm not trying to bust your balls, but you defended Brunell left and right and nobody really said anything. But then you got guys in here supporting and defending Ramsey and you're always trying to find something negative about him. Let's remember that Ramsey is 25 years old, so of course he's going to make mistakes, of course he's gonna throw some INT's. Give him some time to mature, then judge him.

We all judge Brunell because he's a veteran, and he's a proven player. He's been in the league for over 10 years and unfortunately we got him right when his play was declining. He came in and stunk up the joint. You have to admit that.

Are you serious? I was battling week after week on posts concerning Brunell. There's no truth in that statement at all is it Matty?

I don't think you paid attention to my argument. I am not a Brunell fan. I supported Gibbs's decision to play Brunell because he had no option with Ramsey after the Giants game. While a lot of you criticized Gibbs and questioned his decision, I stayed the course and now you should see and understand by now. Many cried and moaned to get Ramsey in there, and tell me what your emotions were when he threw his first INT or took his first of many sacks or maybe his 6 potential INTs? Take your pick.

How much time should I give Ramsey? 7 games? Or maybe I should overlook this season and just focus on the off-season. Judge Ramsey by the same criteria that you judge Brunell or any other QB. The fact remains that Ramsey hasn't done anything.

[jdlea]

I wasn't trying to say that Ramsey was going to be better than Manning. All I was trying to point out was that Ramsey accomplished a feat by throwing more Touchdowns than picks in his first year as a starter! Manning is the best QB in the league and he couldn't do it. I don't think Ramsey will be better than Manning, but I do think Ramsey will be a good quarterback. If he isn't, I think it is the fault of Steve Spurrier and Joe Gibbs. He has heart and a strong arm. He's inherited a 17 point deficit and a 13 point deficit this season and people on this site have tried to crucify him for throwing picks...well no sh#t he's gonna throw some picks because he's trying to force things to get them back into the game.

Also, it took him a while to get going because he hadn't played in months and he was a slow starter last season, too. That didn't surprise me. All in all, he did get going and didn't play too bad. He'll only get better with time.

[Redskins_P]

[QUOTE=SUNRA][QUOTE=Redskins_P][QUOTE=SUNRA]It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity.

Are you serious? I was battling week after week on posts concerning Brunell. There's no truth in that statement at all is it Matty?

I don't think you paid attention to my argument. I am not a Brunell fan. I supported Gibbs's decision to play Brunell because he had no option with Ramsey after the Giants game. While a lot of you criticized Gibbs and questioned his decision, I stayed the course and now you should see and understand by now. Many cried and moaned to get Ramsey in there, and tell me what your emotions were when he threw his first INT or took his first of many sacks or maybe his 6 potential INTs? Take your pick.

How much time should I give Ramsey? 7 games? Or maybe I should overlook this season and just focus on the off-season. Judge Ramsey by the same criteria that you judge Brunell or any other QB. The fact remains that Ramsey hasn't done anything.

I have never once criticized Gibbs. I know you weren't referring to me. I hope you were talking about ZackMills

I'll pick Ramsey....he was way more upside than Brunell or Hasselbeck.

[jamf]

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this one game will not be a fair judgement of ramsey. he is going up against one of the best teams in the league. also, he is still doesnt have the timing down with his starting WR's.

ramsey is virtually a rookie all over again. spurriers offence was not a pro style, so it will take him some time to adjust to the coaches playbook.


if ramsey can lead the offence to more than 18 points, he would be a major improvement; i dont care how many mistakes he makes.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I, for one, think that he is and believe he has better physical talent than Joey Harrington. The difference? Harrington got handed the job and get this...left alone. They let him struggle, they let him learn, now they're not too bad, most young quarterbacks just get, so be patient.

That pretty much sums up my thinking.

Had Ramsey come in to the league under better circumstances like guys like Carr and Harrington have, he would probably be a better QB right now than both of them.

If Ramsey gets the full commitment of this team over the long-term, I think he can develop in to a quality QB.

Right now he just hasn't had a fair shot.

[CROOKEDSKINS]

he will get us over 20 points against the eagles
something we havent seen for along time

[dragontat7169]

Here is my opinion as to the QB situation with the Skins.

First of all, let me start by saying "I don't like Brunell" and never really have. However, I will say that earlier in the season I thought that Coach Gibbs must have seen something in Brunell that we all didn't and that is why Coach Gibbs stuck with Brunell for so long. Well I am going to change that and say that Coach Gibbs DIDN'T see something in Ramsey. Ramsey's biggest problem is his ability to handle the pass rush. He has great arm strength and his accuracy is average but will improve with time. Don't get me wrong, not all of his problems are his fault. Alot of them have to do with the Offensive line. I would be a bit cautious if I got hit as many times as he did last year. I think that is the main reason why Coach Gibbs stuck with Brunell so long. Coach Gibbs knows that the protection isn't quite there yet and I think he probably felt more comfortable with a veteran QB who can handle the rush a little better. As I remember, quite a few of Brunells interceptions were a result of him being hit as he threw, however he was still blamed and the blame really should have been put on the O line. As I am sure most of you saw, Ramsey went down rather quickly on a few plays where there was a strong rush, sometimes even before he got hit. This showed me just how timid Ramsey is back there during the rush. And I think this relates to last season's beating he took. I also think the strong pass rush affects Ramsey's decision making. I lost count as to how many passes should have been intercepted because of poor judgement when he was being rushed.

All in all, I think Ramsey should start the rest of the season. Why? Well he has to gain his confidence back somehow. I think Coach Gibbs was right by sticking with Brunell for so long. If we don't win another game this season, I really don't care (except for the Dallas Game of course). I would much rather see Ramsey get his confidence back.

Next year we will get Jansen back and we will need to find another good pass protector or two. I honesty think that if Ramsey can get the protection he will become a good QB. But he also needs to get his confidence back.

[MTK]

Personally I'm willing to live with some INT's and sacks. That's what happens when you commit to a young QB.

Brunell was totally ineffective and he had his share of turnovers too, so the tradeoff is at least Ramsey can get the ball down the field.

All the great ones take their lumps early in their careers, well except for Roethlisberger but he's the exception.

Unless he just absolutely stinks up the joint for these last 7 games, I'm willing to give him a good part of next season too along with these 7 games to take his lumps.

There's only one way we're going to find out if Ramsey can get it done. And that's to give him an honest shot. He hasn't had that yet, not under Spurrier and definitely not yet with Gibbs. Even Gibbs admits he's thrown him into some really tough situations this season.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally I'm willing to live with some INT's and sacks. That's what happens when you commit to a young QB.

Brunell was totally ineffective and he had his share of turnovers too, so the tradeoff is at least Ramsey can get the ball down the field.

All the great ones take their lumps early in their careers, well except for Roethlisberger but he's the exception.

Unless he just absolutely stinks up the joint for these last 7 games, I'm willing to give him a good part of next season too along with these 7 games to take his lumps.

There's only one way we're going to find out if Ramsey can get it done. And that's to give him an honest shot. He hasn't had that yet, not under Spurrier and definitely not yet with Gibbs. Even Gibbs admits he's thrown him into some really tough situations this season.

As Tre Johnson said on the Redskins show, "Ramsey is paid to come in and give his team a lift when the other QB isn't. It's not a unique phenomenon, to have a QB come in from behind and win a game. I'm not that understanding of turnovers for someone who is not a rookie in the first place. Secondly, a good QB would approach this mid-season change as a way to make Gibbs a believer in him. Ramsey's preparation in practice was questioned by Bugel and I see why. When a reporter asked Ramsey after the game if he thought he would get a chance to play after the consistenly bad performances of Brunell? He actually said, No. I didn't really think I would play. How in the hell did he not think he would get a chance to play? If he thought like that, his preparation in practice was not all that great.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

As Tre Johnson said on the Redskins show, "Ramsey is paid to come in and give his team a lift when the other QB isn't. It's not a unique phenomenon, to have a QB come in from behind and win a game. I'm not that understanding of turnovers for someone who is not a rookie in the first place. Secondly, a good QB would approach this mid-season change as a way to make Gibbs a believer in him. Ramsey's preparation in practice was questioned by Bugel and I see why. When a reporter asked Ramsey after the game if he thought he would get a chance to play after the consistenly bad performances of Brunell? He actually said, No. I didn't really think I would play. How in the hell did he not think he would get a chance to play? If he thought like that, his preparation in practice was not all that great.

His preparation in practice? He only gets 10% of the reps.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

His preparation in practice? He only gets 10% of the reps.

He gets 10% of the reps with the first team or 10% in practice as a whole?

If the first true, he's getting practice with somebody or Bugel would not have made that statement. Look, he's not a baby. If he's practicing with the second team at least he got to throw to McCants . I don't think he still understands the playbook and that has caused a lot of problems for him.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

He gets 10% of the reps with the first team or 10% in practice as a whole?

If the first true, he's getting practice with somebody or Bugel would not have made that statement. Look, he's not a baby. If he's practicing with the second team at least he got to throw to McCants . I don't think he still understands the playbook and that has caused a lot of problems for him.

You could be right, but I thought Gibbs said that Ramsey was a good student of the game and that he studies his film and playbook.

I'm not saying he's a baby, but you want us to be fair with Brunell? Can you be fair with Ramsey?

[Daseal]

Ramsey's bad 2.5 quarters neted more passing yards than Brunell's last two games. Give the guy some time!