Fake WR screen

[30gut]

IMO part of the problem this year comes from a lack of creativity on offense.
Although we run the WCO there are many variations and creative plays that
other teams run that expose our offense's lack of creativity.

The WR screen is a staple of our offense. But, we have never run a Fake WR screen: 2nd play from the following clip: (1st Qtr 12:40 2nd & 1)

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^^^ Wouldn't it make sense to have ran the this play at least once?

The Redskins passing game lacked creativity this year.
The coaching staff IMO didn't make many effective adjustments as the season progressed.
The playcaller, the QB coach, offensive coordinator and WR coach and offensive assistants all have important roles in designing the passing game. The Redskins passing game staff doesn't have 1 member other then Zorn that knows the WCO this probably makes adjustments difficult.

We don't have a QB coach.
Our OC doesn't know the WCO.
The WR coach doesn't know the WCO.
The offensive assistant doesn't know it either.


thoughts?

[SBXVII]

*Rebuild* *Cowher*

[Skins4L]

30gut...good call with the bubble screen fake. I hear ya...

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

*Rebuild* *Cowher*

*Re-tool* *Zorn w/ a WCO staff*

How about your thoughts on our coaching staff?

Don't you think Zorn deserves at least another year instead of starting over?

Zorn had more success then people expected and he did it with a staff he didn't get to pick, a staff that doesn't even know the WCO, a staff short a position coach (QB coach).

Hasn't Zorn at least earned the right to coach another year with a full coaching staff that knows the WCO?

[NicknacK89]

Originally Posted by 30gut

*Re-tool* *Zorn w/ a WCO staff*

How about your thoughts on our coaching staff?

Don't you think Zorn deserves at least another year instead of starting over?

Zorn had more success then people expected and he did it with a staff he didn't get to pick, a staff that doesn't even know the WCO, a staff short a position coach (QB coach).

Hasn't Zorn at least earned the right to coach another year with a full coaching staff that knows the WCO?

i have been having a lot of animosity towards zorn but that statement does really settle me down. i 100% agree

[CrackBack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

*Rebuild* *Cowher*

This is the answer.

[Beemnseven]

I remember Gibbs calling a fake WR screen to Santana Moss in the playoff game at Tampa Bay in '05. Moss took a step forward, then quickly shifted back behind the line of scrimmage to appear as though the pass was coming for him -- this drew in the Buc defender -- then he turned upfield as Brunell lofted a pass to him, but it fell incomplete. I've wondered why with as many flanker screens that we run, that Zorn hasn't called for this at least once.

Then again, I wonder why we don't run more play-action passes. It's one of the many things that makes me realize Zorn is still learning how to call plays.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I remember Gibbs calling a fake WR screen to Santana Moss in the playoff game at Tampa Bay in '05. Moss took a step forward, then quickly shifted back behind the line of scrimmage to appear as though the pass was coming for him -- this drew in the Buc defender -- then he turned upfield as Brunell lofted a pass to him, but it fell incomplete. I've wondered why with as many flanker screens that we run, that Zorn hasn't called for this at least once.

Then again, I wonder why we don't run more play-action passes. It's one of the many things that makes me realize Zorn is still learning how to call plays.

I remember that. Gibbs finally made a nice play call and Brunell over threw it to Moss, who was open. Too bad that was the only time we ever ran that play.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by steveo395

I remember that. Gibbs finally made a nice play call and Brunell over threw it to Moss, who was open. Too bad that was the only time we ever ran that play.

Yeah, Brunell had all of 41 total yards passing in that game. I believe that's when they set the NFL record for fewest offensive yardage in a playoff game by the winning team.

[SmootSmack]

I must say 30, I wasn't a big fan of your "emotion" thread but other than that I like the threads you start. Good discussion.

It is difficult to teach the WCO, when only one person on the offensive staff really understands. And I imagine it's also difficult when one part of the offense is trying to learn the WCO, while another (the running game) is using the same schemes as last year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I must say 30, I wasn't a big fan of your "emotion" thread but other than that I like the threads you start. Good discussion.

It is difficult to teach the WCO, when only one person on the offensive staff really understands. And I imagine it's also difficult when one part of the offense is trying to learn the WCO, while another (the running game) is using the same schemes as last year.

I think he got the point across though. Our recent struggles have little to do with players not knowing the system, IMO. We just can't block for the runners anymore.

So we're left with with a passing offense that's effective, snap to snap, but not good enough to get into the end-zone all by itself. I don't think were very far from the point where the passing offense could be effective without a rushing offense, but we clearly need our receivers to develop before we are there.

Earlier in the season, the running game was there when we needed it. I just don't think it is anymore. I doubt this is because of any lack of knowledge. I just think our OL without Samuels has no prefered side that we can get behind when we really need yards.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 30gut

*Re-tool* *Zorn w/ a WCO staff*

How about your thoughts on our coaching staff?

Don't you think Zorn deserves at least another year instead of starting over?

Zorn had more success then people expected and he did it with a staff he didn't get to pick, a staff that doesn't even know the WCO, a staff short a position coach (QB coach).

Hasn't Zorn at least earned the right to coach another year with a full coaching staff that knows the WCO?

It was meant to be a sarcastic joke. but if we are going to have another discussion on this topic. I think Zorn or any coach should have atleast 2-3 years to emplement his system. Will Snyder give him that? My only issue/issues with Zorn is ...He's not showing he can adapt. He has not adapted his offense for his players. He has not adapted his offense during the season so other teams will not know what we are doing. He does not adapt during half time. He kinda reminds me of Spurrier in that he tried to force his system on a team that did not have the tools to emplement his system with. I'm at a cross roads with him. The offense has shown little improvement and thats the basis of this offense. It's supposed to be a passing oriented scoring machine according to Zorn. We havn't put up more then 20 points.

If and I mean if the team, and namely its offense showed improvement then I would say yes keep him. I just don't see that happening with the injuries on the line. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not a foot ball coach. I'm not seeing were all the break downs are and I'm sure Snyder will have to understand and take that into consideration. Maybe there is no consideration. Maybe all our talk is BS and Snyder plans on keeping him anyway. We'll all find out soon though. The seasons almost over.

[redsk1]

Playcalling hasn't been good for the last 8 weeks or so. There are some good calls sprinkled in here and there but for the most part it's been lacking.

Creativity is very important in today's game. I just don't know enough about Zorn to say he has it or doesn't have an ability to call plays. Right now, I haven't seen the creativity from him that i would like to see.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Playcalling hasn't been good for the last 8 weeks or so. There are some good calls sprinkled in here and there but for the most part it's been lacking.

Creativity is very important in today's game. I just don't know enough about Zorn to say he has it or doesn't have an ability to call plays. Right now, I haven't seen the creativity from him that i would like to see.

I like othesr have thought that it was pretty much all on our O Line but after watching the reduced replay of the Dallas/Giants game I'm now not so sure. My point. Both Dallas and the Giants O lines had a very tough time giving their QB's time to make plays and I think both O lines gave up more sacks then we did when we played against them. What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

I thought that Zorn did a good job adjusting the playcalling to the pressure; almost too good. My biggest gripe is that Zorn's limited the playcalling too much because of his worries about the offense line. Zorn seemed to rely almost entirely on the 3 step drop passing game to help protect an injured/struggling offense line. In the 2nd Dallas game i thought WR play was a bigger issue then the play-calling.