2009 Season

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

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*Jason Campbell Traded to Tennessee for Chris Simms, straight up. Jason Campbell is an ideal fit for Tennessee's offense. Chris Simms is an ideal fit for our offense. Its a good deal for both teams. Maybe we could get a low-round pick in addition to Simms for Campbell, but I don't think Vinny is that good of a negotiator.

Oh....my.....god.

I don't even know what to say. I think reading that sentence just knocked my IQ down about 50 points. I'm speechless. I have no speech.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Oh....my.....god.

I don't even know what to say. I think reading that sentence just knocked my IQ down about 50 points. I'm speechless. I have no speech.

You and me both. I mean I think Simms has a place in this league. But really? Trade Campbell straight up for him? Aside from the fact that I'm pretty sure Simms would be a free agent this offseason anyway. Why would you trade Campbell for Simms straight up? And then I love how he basically says "well it's not something I would do really but Vinny is so stupid he'd do it." Well if it's the changes you want, couldn't you have come up with something better than offering Campbell up in a trade for Simms?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You and me both. I mean I think Simms has a place in this league. But really? Trade Campbell straight up for him? Aside from the fact that I'm pretty sure Simms would be a free agent this offseason anyway. Why would you trade Campbell for Simms straight up? And then I love how he basically says "well it's not something I would do really but Vinny is so stupid he'd do it." Well if it's the changes you want, couldn't you have come up with something better than offering Campbell up in a trade for Simms?

Did you read my post? I never said I wouldnt do the trade - I want to do the trade, but i would demand more in the trade than Vinny would. We always get the short end of the stick in trades. Teams know it, and they exploit it. I would ask for a 4th rounder in addition and see what their counter-offer was. And btw, no Simms is not a free agent this offseason. He will be next season - same as Campbell. Campbell is going to be a failure in this offense, so if we don't move him this offseason, we get nothing in return for him when we cut him next year (assuming a new CBA is negotiated)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Oh....my.....god.

I don't even know what to say. I think reading that sentence just knocked my IQ down about 50 points. I'm speechless. I have no speech.

I offered an explaination. Anyone that thinks Jason Campbell will succeed in the WCO needs to take their B&G glassess off. Vinnys comments made it very clear that he is not sold on JC as our starter in 2009. Tennessee is going to resign Kerry Collins after this year and Jason Campbell is a MUCH better fit for their offensive system than Chris Simms. In Tennessee, (once Collins retires) he would become the franchise QB we dreamed he would be when we drafted him.

[dmek25]

bighair, you know this isn't Madden, right? what you have proposed is border line ridiculous

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by dmek25

bighair, you know this isn't Madden, right? what you have proposed is border line ridiculous

Name one thing thats impossible for this team with over 21M in cap space created just by releasing 4 players?

[maroonandblack30]

Chris Simms? Really? That is ridiculous.

FYI....just because a guy is a FA doesn't mean the Skins "automatically" get him.

Bottom line = improve both lines....that alone will get us to 10 wins. (If everything else stays constant)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Chris Simms? Really? That is ridiculous.

FYI....just because a guy is a FA doesn't mean the Skins "automatically" get him.

Bottom line = improve both lines....that alone will get us to 10 wins. (If everything else stays constant)

Chris Simms is a prototypical WCO QB who learned the system under John Gruden, who is is probably the best developer of QBs in the NFL outside of new england. He put up respectable numbers as a starter in Tampa before he was injured. He was sacked a ton, but it was due to being behind one of the worst offensive lines in the history of football. jim Zorn could do much more with Simms than he ever could with Campbell.

There may be a better answer out there besides Simms, but Jason Campbell is most certainly NOT the answer. (Another option would be signing Garcia as a FA, but I think he may retire) If we don't trade Campbell in this offseason, he'll walk as a free agent when his contract is up and we'll get nothing for him. Thats a fact.

and I KNOW just because someone is a FA, it doesnt mean we can sign them, but by cutting the players we mentioned, we should be able to make offers to Haynesworth and Asomugha that they can't refuse. Unfortunately, I think haynesworth will probably resign with Tennessee - i'd put the odds of him hitting FA at only about 30%, but if he hits FA, we can and should overpay for him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Chris Simms is a prototypical WCO QB who learned the system under John Gruden, who is is probably the best developer of QBs in the NFL outside of new england. He put up respectable numbers as a starter in Tampa before he was injured. He was sacked a ton, but it was due to being behind one of the worst offensive lines in the history of football. jim Zorn could do much more with Simms than he ever could with Campbell.

There may be a better answer out there besides Simms, but Jason Campbell is most certainly NOT the answer. (Another option would be signing Garcia as a FA, but I think he may retire) If we don't trade Campbell in this offseason, he'll walk as a free agent when his contract is up and we'll get nothing for him. Thats a fact.

and I KNOW just because someone is a FA, it doesnt mean we can sign them, but by cutting the players we mentioned, we should be able to make offers to Haynesworth and Asomugha that they can't refuse. Unfortunately, I think haynesworth will probably resign with Tennessee - i'd put the odds of him hitting FA at only about 30%, but if he hits FA, we can and should overpay for him.

The Bucanneers had like 5 QBs on their roster and Simms couldn't consistently crack the top 5 (spleen or no spleen). He didn't last there mainly because he couldn't grasp the WCO the way that Gruden wanted. You don't like Campbell as our starting QB. That's fine. That's a topic for another time. But how is 6'4" 220 lb. Chris Simms with deep passing ability and questionable running ability the perfect fit for the WCO when Campbell isn't?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Bucanneers had like 5 QBs on their roster and Simms couldn't consistently crack the top 5 (spleen or no spleen). He didn't last there mainly because he couldn't grasp the WCO the way that Gruden wanted. You don't like Campbell as our starting QB. That's fine. That's a topic for another time. But how is 6'4" 220 lb. Chris Simms with deep passing ability and questionable running ability the perfect fit for the WCO when Campbell isn't?

Thank you!

At least 2 different head coaches have deemed Jason Campbell a worthy NFL starter (not to mention the numerous analysts who think he's legit). Chris Simms was a starter for a few games, couldn't hack it, got benched, then cut, then signed to be a 3rd stringer. But sure, let's trade JC for him straight up.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Chris Simms is a prototypical WCO QB who learned the system under John Gruden, who is is probably the best developer of QBs in the NFL outside of new england. He put up respectable numbers as a starter in Tampa before he was injured. He was sacked a ton, but it was due to being behind one of the worst offensive lines in the history of football. jim Zorn could do much more with Simms than he ever could with Campbell.

There may be a better answer out there besides Simms, but Jason Campbell is most certainly NOT the answer. (Another option would be signing Garcia as a FA, but I think he may retire) If we don't trade Campbell in this offseason, he'll walk as a free agent when his contract is up and we'll get nothing for him. Thats a fact.

and I KNOW just because someone is a FA, it doesnt mean we can sign them, but by cutting the players we mentioned, we should be able to make offers to Haynesworth and Asomugha that they can't refuse. Unfortunately, I think haynesworth will probably resign with Tennessee - i'd put the odds of him hitting FA at only about 30%, but if he hits FA, we can and should overpay for him.

In case you haven't heard, our offensive line didn't do that great in the second half of the season.

[MTK]

Simms is garbage give me a break. If JC isn't the answer Simms is definitely not either.

[GTripp0012]

I don't think what he wants to do is Madden-esque, necessarily. Seems like every team we would deal with has incentive to do the deals he proposes.

But there's two really obvious things: theres no flexiblity in his plan. If Lechler and Asomugha resign with Oakland, there's no plan B. We just get worse.

And that proposed starting lineup really sort of kinda sucks the big one. The receivers suck. The line sucks. The quarterback is a downgrade. The front seven gets a little bit better on defense, but I can't remember, didn't someone already try Asomugha and Hall at the corners? Didn't Hall get roasted over an open fire by AFC teams in that same scenario?

Outside of that, it's change for the sake of change. I'll give him props for at least putting concrete ideas on paper with some thought, instead of taking abstract jabs at non issues.

[freddyg12]

On perhaps a more practical note, Everette Brown declared & he really sounds like a good guy, maybe a safer pick than the usual 1st round DE. I think some have said he's more suited to be a 3-4 OLB though.

Florida State Seminoles speed-rusher Brown to go pro - ESPN

[markymark]

well hears my thoughts the draft is a gamble always is and to try to solve our problems with the draft is probably not the best way to do it. i keep hearing about how great 2008's draft was well the only starter from that draft was horton. sure our 3 2nd rounders might pan out but they really haven't done anything yet. but i like those picks because we can develope them, which i believe is what the draft is for. in 2 or 3 years if they havent become starters get rid of them. same thing with this year draft guys for the furture not the now. develope them and see if they can become great players to take over for our aging vets. heres where FA comes in get guys who are proven and can hold down the postion until the rookies can take over. so in FA this year go after hayneworth, gross, even birk, maybe even canty. the thing that kills the skins ever season is they dont know how to build a foundation. you start with the lines. look at all the teams in the playoffs now they all have great lines. NY, PHI, CAR, TEN, SD all of them have great lines.