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44ever · 01-09-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.

Very well said CRedskinsRule. I agree 100%

SkinDogg · 01-09-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.

Well said, and much agreed. But I must add that Gibbs having chalked up a Super Bowl after season 2 certainly kept Cooke dedicated.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 01-09-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.

Agree 100%. JKC was a great owner and Bethard a great GM.

Paintrain · 01-09-2009, 10:46 AM

Portis is starting to annoy me a little. Sure he's a helluva RB but let's be honest here guys, he doesn't have the resume, leadership qualities or unique talent to pop off at the mouth as often as he does. Take us to the Super Bowl or zip it. I hate the 'shut up and play' mentality a lot of fans & media have towards players, but in some cases I sympathize!

47FAN · 01-09-2009, 11:01 AM

first off i like portis alot. but he needs to keep his mouth shut to the media. i know i probably wouldnt have a job if i tried to tell my boss what was right and what was wrong. if anything keep it behind closed doors.

44ever · 01-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Real simple Portis wanted 1500 yards this season and didn't get it. He's breaking down and knows his time is getting shorter. Had he got his 1500 he wouldn't be talking the way he is.

His injuries are responsible for the under achieving of his self centered goal. He was the one limping of the field after every play of the second half of the season not his O line. They were still out there trying while he was sucking oxygen and getting his hand rubbed

We would be wise to go after Ward or someone similar

Yes I'm a Portis fan. But I call them as I see them.

Take a look at his injury report

47FAN · 01-09-2009, 11:09 AM

what about jacobs?

Ruhskins · 01-09-2009, 11:14 AM

I really think leadership is becoming an issue on this team, and I'm concerned that this will lead to discipline issues and our team in danger of becoming like the Bengals or the Cowboys, with a terrible locker room and players doing stupid things. The offense right now doesn't have a true leader, Campbell is a bit too young and his personal character is not of getting into someone's face. In a previous thread, someone brought up a good point of whether vets like Moss and ARE are mentoring the young receivers; which given at some of the comments made in the media about Devin Thomas (wanting to get away from football in the offseason, etc., etc.) it appears that this ain't happening. I think the defense has some potential leaders, like London Fletcher. Yet still you have situations with veterans like Shawn Springs, skipping OTAs and working out on his own (I'm not sure this happened last offseason, but it has in the past).

Sadly, this appears to be Clinton Portis' team, and the problem with that is that Portis is two outrageous comments from becoming a T.O. or a Chad Johnson. You'll see if many of the successful teams, there is an established veteran leadership among players (Brady in NE, Manning in Indy, Ray Lewis in Baltimore), I'm just not seeing that in our team. I fear that this leadership vacuum is going to cause the team to blow up if and when they have a losing season.

tryfuhl · 01-10-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Sadly, this appears to be Clinton Portis' team, and the problem with that is that Portis is two outrageous comments from becoming a T.O. or a Chad Johnson. You'll see if many of the successful teams, there is an established veteran leadership among players (Brady in NE, Manning in Indy, Ray Lewis in Baltimore), I'm just not seeing that in our team. I fear that this leadership vacuum is going to cause the team to blow up if and when they have a losing season.

springs showed up in shape and played very well when he did.. the injuries were a bit much though

SmootSmack · 01-09-2009, 11:19 AM

Portis gives 100% every Sunday when he's steps on the field, no matter how hurt he is and whether he has the ball. He never lets up from whistle to whistle. As far as on-field effort, you can't ask for more.

That said, even though he later apparently apologized for his comments, he needs to stop. Or someone needs to tell him to stop. Start fining him for appearing on the John Thompson show, or something like that. He's frustrated, we all get that. But he's not the only one on that team furstrated. He will do anything to win, that's great. But so will a lot of other people on that team.

And this really exposes Snyder's biggest weakness. I get that he wants to take care of his star, a lot of owners do that. But you have to separate the aura of being around famous football players with the responsibilities of being the boss. Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down.

As for the running game, from day one Zorn (I think it was him) had said that the season would start with the same running schemes of Gibbs/Bugel and gradually it would evolve to co-exist effectively with the WCO. So yeah things didn't stay the same throughout, though that was hardly as big an issue as I think Portis is making it out to be, but that was to be expected.

irish · 01-09-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Portis gives 100% every Sunday when he's steps on the field, no matter how hurt he is and whether he has the ball. He never lets up from whistle to whistle. As far as on-field effort, you can't ask for more.

That said, even though he later apparently apologized for his comments, he needs to stop. Or someone needs to tell him to stop. Start fining him for appearing on the John Thompson show, or something like that. He's frustrated, we all get that. But he's not the only one on that team furstrated. He will do anything to win, that's great. But so will a lot of other people on that team.

And this really exposes Snyder's biggest weakness. I get that he wants to take care of his star, a lot of owners do that. But you have to separate the aura of being around famous football players with the responsibilities of being the boss. Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down.

As for the running game, from day one Zorn (I think it was him) had said that the season would start with the same running schemes of Gibbs/Bugel and gradually it would evolve to co-exist effectively with the WCO. So yeah things didn't stay the same throughout, though that was hardly as big an issue as I think Portis is making it out to be, but that was to be expected.

The problem is that DS sees himself as the boss of the players when in fact JZ is the boss of the players.

tryfuhl · 01-10-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down.

He needs to close his door and sign checks only.

Trample the Elderly · 01-11-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

He needs to close his door and sign checks only.

Yup. And two of those checks need to go to Jordan Cross and Duke Robinson. They'll be a bit cheaper now too.

saden1 · 01-09-2009, 11:37 AM

Zorn's play calling the last half of the season was trash, he couldn't adjust his sweat pants let alone the Redskins offense. I hope he has learned how to adjust. Portis has a big mouth but he's not responsible for the 2-6 finish. That's all Zorn even if Portis was getting 3.5 yards per carry. You see the f'ing game plans against the Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys? Trash!!!!

Daseal · 01-09-2009, 11:42 AM

Hey Portis, SHUT UP! The offensive line rarely got you to the second level, and if they did -- you didn't break any tackles. The reason this offense sputtered is because our passing game was non-existent. Even if we threw a pass it seemed like it was off-target or it was dropped. Secondly, our play calling was starting to move back to the Gibbs era. Run, Run, Pass (short of the chains), Punt every series.

342 carries, 3rd in the NFL, and it wasn't enough? That was the reason for our collapse? Clinton Portis is really starting to bug me, and he's becoming a cancer. I wish Zorn would have dealt with him like Tomlin dealt with Tony Parker. The big issue is it's going to be a few years before we can part ways with him because of the contract.

01-09-2009, 10:46 AM	#4
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: More Portis Portis is starting to annoy me a little. Sure he's a helluva RB but let's be honest here guys, he doesn't have the resume, leadership qualities or unique talent to pop off at the mouth as often as he does. Take us to the Super Bowl or zip it. I hate the 'shut up and play' mentality a lot of fans & media have towards players, but in some cases I sympathize! __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

01-09-2009, 11:01 AM	#5
47FAN Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 757 Posts: 685	Re: More Portis first off i like portis alot. but he needs to keep his mouth shut to the media. i know i probably wouldnt have a job if i tried to tell my boss what was right and what was wrong. if anything keep it behind closed doors.

01-09-2009, 11:05 AM	#6
44ever Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The Fortune Teller Posts: 2,512	Re: More Portis Real simple Portis wanted 1500 yards this season and didn't get it. He's breaking down and knows his time is getting shorter. Had he got his 1500 he wouldn't be talking the way he is. His injuries are responsible for the under achieving of his self centered goal. He was the one limping of the field after every play of the second half of the season not his O line. They were still out there trying while he was sucking oxygen and getting his hand rubbed We would be wise to go after Ward or someone similar Yes I'm a Portis fan. But I call them as I see them. Take a look at his injury report

01-09-2009, 11:09 AM	#7
47FAN Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 757 Posts: 685	Re: More Portis what about jacobs?

01-09-2009, 11:14 AM	#8
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,379	Re: More Portis I really think leadership is becoming an issue on this team, and I'm concerned that this will lead to discipline issues and our team in danger of becoming like the Bengals or the Cowboys, with a terrible locker room and players doing stupid things. The offense right now doesn't have a true leader, Campbell is a bit too young and his personal character is not of getting into someone's face. In a previous thread, someone brought up a good point of whether vets like Moss and ARE are mentoring the young receivers; which given at some of the comments made in the media about Devin Thomas (wanting to get away from football in the offseason, etc., etc.) it appears that this ain't happening. I think the defense has some potential leaders, like London Fletcher. Yet still you have situations with veterans like Shawn Springs, skipping OTAs and working out on his own (I'm not sure this happened last offseason, but it has in the past). Sadly, this appears to be Clinton Portis' team, and the problem with that is that Portis is two outrageous comments from becoming a T.O. or a Chad Johnson. You'll see if many of the successful teams, there is an established veteran leadership among players (Brady in NE, Manning in Indy, Ray Lewis in Baltimore), I'm just not seeing that in our team. I fear that this leadership vacuum is going to cause the team to blow up if and when they have a losing season. __________________ R.I.P. #21

01-09-2009, 11:19 AM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: More Portis Portis gives 100% every Sunday when he's steps on the field, no matter how hurt he is and whether he has the ball. He never lets up from whistle to whistle. As far as on-field effort, you can't ask for more. That said, even though he later apparently apologized for his comments, he needs to stop. Or someone needs to tell him to stop. Start fining him for appearing on the John Thompson show, or something like that. He's frustrated, we all get that. But he's not the only one on that team furstrated. He will do anything to win, that's great. But so will a lot of other people on that team. And this really exposes Snyder's biggest weakness. I get that he wants to take care of his star, a lot of owners do that. But you have to separate the aura of being around famous football players with the responsibilities of being the boss. Snyder has a bad habit of trying to be one of the guys by bowing down to a player and giving them whatever they want, sometimes at the expense of the rest of the organization. He did it with Darrell Green, with Bruce Smith, and now he might be doing it with Portis. He needs to put his foot down. As for the running game, from day one Zorn (I think it was him) had said that the season would start with the same running schemes of Gibbs/Bugel and gradually it would evolve to co-exist effectively with the WCO. So yeah things didn't stay the same throughout, though that was hardly as big an issue as I think Portis is making it out to be, but that was to be expected. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-09-2009, 11:37 AM	#14
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: More Portis Zorn's play calling the last half of the season was trash, he couldn't adjust his sweat pants let alone the Redskins offense. I hope he has learned how to adjust. Portis has a big mouth but he's not responsible for the 2-6 finish. That's all Zorn even if Portis was getting 3.5 yards per carry. You see the f'ing game plans against the Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys? Trash!!!! __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

01-09-2009, 11:42 AM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: More Portis Hey Portis, SHUT UP! The offensive line rarely got you to the second level, and if they did -- you didn't break any tackles. The reason this offense sputtered is because our passing game was non-existent. Even if we threw a pass it seemed like it was off-target or it was dropped. Secondly, our play calling was starting to move back to the Gibbs era. Run, Run, Pass (short of the chains), Punt every series. 342 carries, 3rd in the NFL, and it wasn't enough? That was the reason for our collapse? Clinton Portis is really starting to bug me, and he's becoming a cancer. I wish Zorn would have dealt with him like Tomlin dealt with Tony Parker. The big issue is it's going to be a few years before we can part ways with him because of the contract. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

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