Doc Walker One-on-One Interview with Vinny Cerrato

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I totally areee, sounds like OLB with the 13th pick....
Maybe OT Sebastian Volmer in the third....
Sort of reading between the lines though, I dont see Ladell Betts having
any value on 3rd Downs anymore??? Sounds like he could be trade bait ??

Any thoughts?

You never know. Maybe they don't think Betts is the type of back they need. I don't know if it makes any difference if they're never going to give him the ball. Anyway, Volmer is the kind of player we could get in the 3rd or maybe lower. Depends on how the draft falls. He's a BIG guy with long arms and quick on his feet. I think there are a few guys in the 3rd-5th rounds who could help us.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

vinny specifically mentioned the he spoke to players and coaches before getting hall. I agree, its assumed he talks to coaches prior to making any moves, whether major or minor

[The Goat]

Thanks for the recap BHA. What concerns me is the prospect of Heyer/Jansen our only two options @ RT. Heyer may be improving and may be dominant as he masters technique; however, his nagging shoulder injury at such a young age is worrisome. Meanwhile, Jansen sounds intent on winning back the starting spot and I think he will if Heyer is the only competition. Personally, I think we should either draft a top OT @ 13, telling him he's got to be ready to start opening day, or (if we draft defense @ 13) pick up a vet who's been cut from another franchise after the draft, like Levi Jones. Either scenario allows us to keep Heyer backing up either tackle spot and Jansen as the primary back-up at either guard spot or RT.

... I was a little surprised nothing was said about Rabach (from what I saw). Some of the analysts are saying C may be our weakest link.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Thanks for the recap BHA. What concerns me is the prospect of Heyer/Jansen our only two options @ RT. Heyer may be improving and may be dominant as he masters technique; however, his nagging shoulder injury at such a young age is worrisome. Meanwhile, Jansen sounds intent on winning back the starting spot and I think he will if Heyer is the only competition. Personally, I think we should either draft a top OT @ 13, telling him he's got to be ready to start opening day, or (if we draft defense @ 13) pick up a vet who's been cut from another franchise after the draft, like Levi Jones. Either scenario allows us to keep Heyer backing up either tackle spot and Jansen as the primary back-up at either guard spot or RT.

... I was a little surprised nothing was said about Rabach (from what I saw). Some of the analysts are saying C may be our weakest link.

And they would be right.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

And they would be right.

yeah, I'm totally on-board for a trade-down scenario where we get top center Mack, or to a lesser degree Unger, and a starting caliber OLB. I think we'd have to take OLB w/ the first pick though.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

yeah, I'm totally on-board for a trade-down scenario where we get top center Mack, or to a lesser degree Unger, and a starting caliber OLB. I think we'd have to take OLB w/ the first pick though.

You mean........like Maualuga to play outside until Fletch leaves?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You mean........like Maualuga to play outside until Fletch leaves?

Nah that's probably a pipe dream... like getting Detroit's 20th and 33rd and hoping to hell Rey falls to 20 and Mack falls out of the 1st round. But I dunno if we can somehow get a couple picks very early in the 2nd round maybe we pickup Matthews or English and Mack or Unger. That would be sweet.

[tryfuhl]

Thanks for the comprehensive recap man, much better than a lot I've read in the past.

Glad to hear that there will be competition at PR and I wonder how Jansen is going to feel about Cerrato's quips on Heyer.

[53Fan]

We definitely still need to address the o-line. Just like the FO does, it's easy for us to get distracted. But if we don't have a chance to get one of the top guys on the o-line at 13, we might as well go defense or trade down. There are plenty of guys who should still be around later who can help us on the o-line. Just not to the same magnitude as a Mack or Oher.

[sportscurmudgeon]

I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?

If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?

If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...

Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.

Right on the target; it's not easy to play Oline..

Just imagine this: if we draft one of top 4 T (maybe Oher?), and he develops into good or great T.. And if Heyers finally develops and become a good RT Then we would be set at Ts for years!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Right on the target; it's not easy to play Oline..

Just imagine this: if we draft one of top 4 T (maybe Oher?), and he develops into good or great T.. And if Heyers finally develops and become a good RT Then we would be set at Ts for years!

So are we cutting Samuels? Here's why I think we're not looking OT at #13. We're good at LT with Samuels. We seem to be content letting Heyer enter camp as the starter at RT (which as I've said wouldn't be the end of the world) and I don't think we're really looking to draft a LT, move him to RT and then have to re-convert him to LT in 3 years. Seems more likely that we will go DE/LB and then draft a OL in the 3rd.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.

It's also a function of stamina. Fatigue leads to bad fundamentals AND mental errors.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

It's also a function of stamina. Fatigue leads to bad fundamentals AND mental errors.

Good point.