Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Your arguments have been proven wrong by a few people here (you just don't admit this). And you keep making the same arguments over and over again.



You want to get rid of Jason Campbell, so you hate him as the Redskins QB. Why are you so afraid of admitting this?



Didn't you say you there's no sense in repeating the same argument over and over again? Well you just did here.



I think the team tried to do this (this is what makes me think your secretly Snyder).

See this is why I made the comment that you mention sources without mentioning them. Can you come up with 3 to 5 articles of paid professionals that have said Campbell won't succeed in Zorns offense? I think it would help your arguments if you did come up with them (I figure given how much you put into your posts, you wouldn't mind doing this).



Yeah, I think you hate Campbell.



Didn't you get all riled up when I said that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem? Well I think this statement confirms that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Well this was fun.

LOL! Seriously, moving up to get Sanchez would be the worst decision in the Synder area, and would set our Franchise back a few years. This move would state Synder/Vinny look for talent in drafts instead of need, Zorn does not think JC can be sucessful in the WCO.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Your arguments have been proven wrong by a few people here (you just don't admit this). And you keep making the same arguments over and over again.



You want to get rid of Jason Campbell, so you hate him as the Redskins QB. Why are you so afraid of admitting this?



Didn't you say you there's no sense in repeating the same argument over and over again? Well you just did here.



I think the team tried to do this (this is what makes me think your secretly Snyder).



See this is why I made the comment that you mention sources without mentioning them. Can you come up with 3 to 5 articles of paid professionals that have said Campbell won't succeed in Zorns offense? I think it would help your arguments if you did come up with them (I figure given how much you put into your posts, you wouldn't mind doing this).



Yeah, I think you hate Campbell.



Didn't you get all riled up when I said that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem? Well I think this statement confirms that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Well this was fun.

Yes it was

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I don't want this to degenerate into something ugly, so i think its best that we stick to this:

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

See this is why I made the comment that you mention sources without mentioning them. Can you come up with 3 to 5 articles of paid professionals that have said Campbell won't succeed in Zorns offense? I think it would help your arguments if you did come up with them (I figure given how much you put into your posts, you wouldn't mind doing this).

Actually, i have put links to articles in my posts when we discussed this before, so i didnt feel the need to do it again. Also, these are all articles every respectable internet-loving Redskins fan would have read when we got Zorn in the first place, but apparently some of you have selective memory. Anyway, here are some quotes ala google that speak to his being a poor fit for the WCO, and his weaknesses in general. I only put his weaknesses here because you and others have disputed them in the past and acted as if i was making them up:

1. Jim Zorn, Redskins Head Coach
Trying to Get Up to Speed - washingtonpost.com

Zorn... was concerned by his[I] tendency to lock onto a particular receiver,

which contributed to a sack on the first offensive play of the game. Campbell also neglected to attempt to find a primary receiver downfield too often -- opting for "check-downs" to secondary options instead -- and Zorn is still waiting for a vertical component of his attack take shape. [/QUOTE]
A tendency is not a one-time occurence, its a pattern. Granted, this was the first game of this past season, but its been commented on for years.

2. JLCs Famous Anonymous Sources
Trying to Get Up to Speed - washingtonpost.com

This quote gives me goosebumps every time I read it. If I could fit it in my sig, I would.

Some scouts and executives believe Campbell is a poor fit for the West Coast offense, with his size and skills favoring seven-step drops and more deep throws, instead of the three-step drops and quick, rhythmic cadence of Zorn's style. "When I watch that team, I think something's going to have to give,"said one NFL executive who has studied Campbell closely and believes he could succeed as a drop-back passer. "Is it the scheme or the quarterback? At some point either the coach is going to have to change what he does to fit the quarterback, or they're going to need a different quarterback."

Ok, sorry but i've got to take care of some things, and didnt have time to look for any more articles after that one. This was the first one that came up when I did a search. I'll look for more and add to this post when I have time.

On a side note, if you go back to WP:RI last year, Jason was hating on the marriage of Zorn/Campbell ever since we brought Zorn here. Now, when its being reported we're pursuing another QB, JLC is criticizing the FO even though its a move his own sources, told him was inevitable. Kinda makes you wonder what his motives are...

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

1. Jim Zorn, Redskins Head Coach
Trying to Get Up to Speed - washingtonpost.com
which contributed to a sack on the first offensive play of the game. Campbell also neglected to attempt to find a primary receiver downfield too often -- opting for "check-downs" to secondary options instead -- and Zorn is still waiting for a vertical component of his attack take shape.

Using quotes from "Some scouts and executives" and an unnamed "NFL Executive" after the first game for Zorn/Campbell together in the WCO against a against a top 5 defense, is hardly solid support for your arguments. Shall we review what Zorn has to say in the same article (Zorn knows a thing or two aobut QBs, and is risking his reputation and livelihood on JC); "Zorn discounted the notion Campbell might not be a perfect fit for this offense but was honest about the length of time necessary to grasp it fully. He spoke again yesterday about how "wild" Pro Bowl passer Matt Hasselbeck was in his first season in Seattle with Zorn as quarterbacks coach, even after Hasselbeck's four years as a backup in the same system in Green Bay, but said Campbell has enough talent to overcome any hiccups.
"I think he's got enough athleticism, I really do, to speed up his game in certain situations," Zorn said. "And part of that, I'm hoping, is just the idea of understanding the offense better, the speed of it. He's not there yet, but I'm not totally discouraged. We have to make big plays when the opportunity is there."

[Lotus]

I post the following story not as gospel-truth, of course, but as fuel for this discussion:

Browns will draft Crabtree or Sanchez
Sources: Browns Will Take Either Sanchez Or Crabtree

[wilsowilso]

I can't recall a Redskins draft that I wanted to be over and done with more than this one.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I can't recall a Redskins draft that I wanted to be over and done with more than this one.

So true, although I was really anxious for the ST draft, because I wanted to see who we got, ST/KWII. But that was from an excitement point of view. This year I just want to see it and see that we don't do something idiotic (like move up for Sanchez)

[Dr Do Itch Big]

Ok guys look, this is what's really going on. Remember Vinny's interview where he said Mayo was his top choice last year, and no one knew about it. (that's right OUR FO actually can keep secrets!) Anyways they see how right they were in there scouting of him and refuse to let the "one" get away again. I truly feel that when this smokescreen clears you will see what I am talking about. In fact you all will being quoting this after it happens... We will trade up for seattles pick, but you will all be very happy! Here is how it will go down.....Det picks Stafford, STL-J Smith, KC- E Monroe, now its our turn we trade up for this pick and take Curry. The FO is using all the ammo from the failed Cutler aqusition and playing their hand perfectly. Everone thinks we are going after Sanchez when we sneak up ouuta no where and take the only surefire pick in the draft!! Just wait and see......Snyderatto will have the last laugh on draft day.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dr Do Itch Big

Ok guys look, this is what's really going on. Remember Vinny's interview where he said Mayo was his top choice last year, and no one knew about it. (that's right OUR FO actually can keep secrets!) Anyways they see how right they were in there scouting of him and refuse to let the "one" get away again. I truly feel that when this smokescreen clears you will see what I am talking about. In fact you all will being quoting this after it happens... We will trade up for seattles pick, but you will all be very happy! Here is how it will go down.....Det picks Stafford, STL-J Smith, KC- E Monroe, now its our turn we trade up for this pick and take Curry. The FO is using all the ammo from the failed Cutler aqusition and playing their hand perfectly. Everone thinks we are going after Sanchez when we sneak up ouuta no where and take the only surefire pick in the draft!! Just wait and see......Snyderatto will have the last laugh on draft day.

Yeah, like I mentioned in another post, I'm pretty sure that if we are able to trade up (which we can do if we sacrifice our 2010 1st rounder) it won't be get to Sanchez. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, though I'd rather we didn't trade up at all.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, like I mentioned in another post, I'm pretty sure that if we are able to trade up (which we can do if we sacrifice our 2010 1st rounder) it won't be get to Sanchez. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, though I'd rather we didn't trade up at all.

If we do trade up it better be for someone like Orakpo. That I could handle.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we do trade up it better be for someone like Orakpo. That I could handle.

I think he may even be there at 13

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think he may even be there at 13

That would be ideal.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we do trade up it better be for someone like Orakpo. That I could handle.

Really Matty? Not Curry or Monroe or the Smiths?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, like I mentioned in another post, I'm pretty sure that if we are able to trade up (which we can do if we sacrifice our 2010 1st rounder) it won't be get to Sanchez. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, though I'd rather we didn't trade up at all.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If we do trade up it better be for someone like Orakpo. That I could handle.

I hope we don't fall in love with a particular player and throw away picks and money by moving up to get him. (Unless its Aaron Curry :headbange)
I hope we trade down and draft BPA that fills a need.
There will be good players, Vinnie and Co just need to make smart picks.

[Dr Do Itch Big]

Oh I almost forgot. We trade them carlos rogers and next years 1st. For the 4th pick this year. This allows Mora to get the qb he really wants in next years draft (Bradford)