It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Too bad that will never happen and i'll tell you why.........because Campbell blows.

Why don't you worry about someone who actually underachieved last year like Fred Smoot, or Greg Blache?

Is it because you don't know what role they have on this team? You're knowledge of the team is only skin deep?

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why don't you worry about someone who actually underachieved last year like Fred Smoot, or Greg Blache?

Is it because you don't know what role they have on this team? You're knowledge of the team is only skin deep?

Just because you have time to post over 7,000 times doesn't make you more knowlegdeable of the Skins than I am. You don't have a clue to what I know about this team. I just breath, eat and sleep the skins for the past 26 years.
ANYWAY, I like Campbell as a person. he's a stand up guy and I liked how he took this whole Cutler thing. However, I don't think he will have a break out year. Everyone blames the Oline when its actually both. I said a couple of months ago i'll give him one more year to prove himself. GTripp, I really hope you're right. I have nothing against him personally. I want him to be a pro-bowler I just don't think he's that good. Sorry.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by soul-skins

too bad that will never happen and i'll tell you why.........because campbell blows.

no dude campbell is a good player but he's not a franchise!!!! Qb like cutler will be, i have always liked jc he is a class act but as far as our team goes he doesn't fit our system.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

no dude campbell is a good player but he's not a franchise!!!! Qb like cutler will be, i have always liked jc he is a class act but as far as our team goes he doesn't fit our system.

This is a BHA argument but with poor punctuation.

Don't worry, the grammar police are asleep though. But now you're not making sense in terms of what you think of JC, other than he's not a franchise QB (and Cutler is, somehow, despite never posting a QB rating at or over 90).

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

no dude campbell is a good player but he's not a franchise!!!! Qb like cutler will be, i have always liked jc he is a class act but as far as our team goes he doesn't fit our system.

We get it, you don't like Campbell and wanted Cutler. It didn't happen, move on.

I was conflicted when the news came down. It's like making an offer on a house that you really like but you know is overpriced and you can't really afford. You'd be nervously excited if you get it but disappointingly relieved that you didn't.

Before Tuesday I was perfectly fine with Campbell going into the season and I still am. The only thing that's changed for me is that I want the FO to extend him now so we can offset the damage (or perceived damage) of the past 2 days.

[warriorzpath]

There's a number of things that I can say about this whole situation.

Jason Campbell has been treated unfairly, but whether he was staying with the redskins or going somewhere else - at least he was going to be given a starting role with a team and given a chance to show what he has. Whether it is unfair or fair - it appears the job of quarterback in Zorn's offense is to be the leader period. Whether he is put in a position to win is not the question; it's what he does with his situation. There's something to be said for being patient and for showing loyalty to a player for the team that you are rooting for - but I believe that you can show that you are a great player in one season, not three, not two, not one and half seasons - but ONE season. That's all it takes. I like Jason Campbell - but he needs to just do what he needs to do. I believe wholeheartedly that if you put in the work that the results will follow - so far the results have been 50/50, so the work put in...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There's a number of things that I can say about this whole situation.

Jason Campbell has been treated unfairly, but whether he was staying with the redskins or going somewhere else - at least he was going to be given a starting role with a team and given a chance to show what he has. Whether it is unfair or fair - it appears the job of quarterback in Zorn's offense is to be the leader period. Whether he is put in a position to win is not the question; it's what he does with his situation. There's something to be said for being patient and for showing loyalty to a player for the team that you are rooting for - but I believe that you can show that you are a great player in one season, not three, not two, not one and half seasons - but ONE season. That's all it takes. I like Jason Campbell - but he needs to just do what he needs to do. I believe wholeheartedly that if you put in the work that the results will follow - so far the results have been 50/50, so the work put in...

He has been treated unfairly how? His record is worse then MB and everyone is saying he was treated unfairly. Has he even had a winning season? I like the guy but I'm not against moving on.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He has been treated unfairly how? His record is worse then MB and everyone is saying he was treated unfairly. Has he even had a winning season? I like the guy but I'm not against moving on.

fd, you're missing the point. He's done NOTHING (as defined as not one thing) to suggest he can't become a top QB as soon as next year. This organization just went balls out to bring Cutler in here. He didn't provide one sound bite to the media that suggests he doesn't want to be here. That's exceptional.

The fact that better QBs exist in the world is irrelivant. You don't trade in a quality guy like Campbell for whatever you can get.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He has been treated unfairly how? His record is worse then MB and everyone is saying he was treated unfairly. Has he even had a winning season? I like the guy but I'm not against moving on.

Whether it was intentional or not, his situation with the redskins wasn't the most conducive for a quarterback to flourish. There was a lack of consistency within the organization, most notably the number of offenses that he has had to learn. And now, the lack of confidence shown through the redskins' efforts in trying to trade Campbell and/or trying to trade for Cutler.

But no, I agree with you with (liking him and) not against moving on (without him). Everyone has their share of adversity (if that's how he sees it) - but it's about getting through it and getting better because of it. It's like the old saying... what doesn't kill you makes you stronger - but you have to be willing to face it and go through it. I think it's time that Campbell faces all of this and shows everybody he is strong enough to battle through all of this stuff and show us that he's a champion. Isn't that what champions are measured with - how much adversity they have overcome?

And compared to others, Campbell's situation isn't that bad. That's why Cutler is seen as a crybaby, because there are millions of people out there that would trade their best day for their worst day in football to be be able to be given their situations and chances in life. The one thing that I like about Cutler though is - he has fire. Something at this point that Campbell lacks and needs to find.

[skinsfaninok]

I didn't say he was going to be manning, but he is a top young qb and i doubt campbell is! Plus cutler had no running game last year and he still was a pro bowler.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I didn't say he was going to be manning, but he is a top young qb and i doubt campbell is! Plus cutler had no running game last year and he still was a pro bowler.

Cutler had *fourth* best running game in the NFL last year, per Football Outsiders.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

No matter how you regard their work, you can't say his running game wasn't good. It was better than ours, in every way you could possibly look at it.

If you're saying he's a top young QB, I have to either 1) assume you ARE saying he's going to become what Manning is or 2) I have to point out to you that you're overestimating the limited difference between Campbell and Cutler.

Campbell will always be a tier below Manning. I'm pretty sure Cutler's not getting there either. They are both franchise type Quarterbacks, and usually, the best strategy is to play with what you've got.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Cutler had *fourth* best running game in the NFL last year, per Football Outsiders.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

No matter how you regard their work, you can't say his running game wasn't good. It was better than ours, in every way you could possibly look at it.

If you're saying he's a top young QB, I have to either 1) assume you ARE saying he's going to become what Manning is or 2) I have to point out to you that you're overestimating the limited difference between Campbell and Cutler.

Campbell will always be a tier below Manning. I'm pretty sure Cutler's not getting there either. They are both franchise type Quarterbacks, and usually, the best strategy is to play with what you've got.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

THEY HAD THE 12TH BEST ACCORDING TO NFL.COM (MAINLY BECAUSE CUTLER MAKES PLAYS WITH THAT ROCKET ARM LOL)

AND IF JC IS A "FRANCHISE" QB THEN WHY HAVN'T WE RESIGNED HIM TO A LONG TERM DEAL? THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T TRUST HIM! SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT JC AND HE HAS A GREAT YEAR BECAUSE HE AND THE OLINE WERE OUR OFFENSIVE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT!

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

NFL Stats: by Team Category

THEY HAD THE 12TH BEST ACCORDING TO NFL.COM (MAINLY BECAUSE CUTLER MAKES PLAYS WITH THAT ROCKET ARM LOL)

AND IF JC IS A "FRANCHISE" QB THEN WHY HAVN'T WE RESIGNED HIM TO A LONG TERM DEAL? THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T TRUST HIM! SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT JC AND HE HAS A GREAT YEAR BECAUSE HE AND THE OLINE WERE OUR OFFENSIVE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT!

No need to yell....... and not signing JC to a super longterm deal has been a very smart move by our FO. Its not that we do not trust him, just that he has yet to prove without a doubt he is capable of running our team. He finally has consistency in a coaching staff, and a reason to go over and beyond (a potential new contract). All that will happen remains to be seen, but we do not have any reason to abandon hope in Campbell.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

NFL Stats: by Team Category

THEY HAD THE 12TH BEST ACCORDING TO NFL.COM (MAINLY BECAUSE CUTLER MAKES PLAYS WITH THAT ROCKET ARM LOL)

AND IF JC IS A "FRANCHISE" QB THEN WHY HAVN'T WE RESIGNED HIM TO A LONG TERM DEAL? THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T TRUST HIM! SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT JC AND HE HAS A GREAT YEAR BECAUSE HE AND THE OLINE WERE OUR OFFENSIVE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT!

That shows that Danny doesn't trust him. And we've all seen what a dimwit he is when it comes to football knowledge. The team definitely trusts him, and Zorn has had his back from day 1.

"We all know that" ??? Really? The O-line yes, Campbell? Not so much.

[redskingrove]

Now watch Jason put up Pro Bowl numbers and I hope he sticks it to Danny and company with contract negotiations. Danny and Vinny act recklessly often like a child with a new toy.