Obama Care

[firstdown]

In my post yesterday I said I was going to play golf which we tried. On the 6th hole it begain to lighting and thunder so we headed for the club house. As I pulled up to the club house I joked with my buddy that I needed some new clubs so I'll parked under tree and maybe lighting will hit the tree and melt my clubs. Not five minutes latter as we gathered our stuff everything lit up and a loud BANG as lighting hit that tree. It was pretty wild and my ears rang for about a 1/2 hour and I think my buddy craped on himself but he wouldn't say.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by firstdown

In my post yesterday I said I was going to play golf which we tried. On the 6th hole it begain to lighting and thunder so we headed for the club house. As I pulled up to the club house I joked with my buddy that I needed some new clubs so I'll parked under tree and maybe lighting will hit the tree and melt my clubs. Not five minutes latter as we gathered our stuff everything lit up and a loud BANG as lighting hit that tree. It was pretty wild and my ears rang for about a 1/2 hour and I think my buddy craped on himself but he wouldn't say.

Maybe Obama was trying to tell you something?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

Maybe Obama was trying to tell you something?

No he only thinks he is God.

[firstdown]

Here is a good link to the history of our nations income tax.
U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of the U.S. Tax System

[dmek25]

•"The U. S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds." "World Health Organization Assesses The World's Health Systems," Press Release, WHO/44, June 21, 2000. PR-2000-43/ WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION : ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS
back to the facts...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

•"The U. S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds." "World Health Organization Assesses The World's Health Systems," Press Release, WHO/44, June 21, 2000. PR-2000-43/ WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION : ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS
back to the facts...

The world health organization is left leaning and wants universal health coverage for the world. Little facts and little research.

[JoeRedskin]

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[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by dmek25

•"The U. S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds." "World Health Organization Assesses The World's Health Systems," Press Release, WHO/44, June 21, 2000. PR-2000-43/ WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION : ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS
back to the facts...

This flaws in this statement have already been debated and discussed.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Carroll: U.S. health care is not inferior - The Denver Post

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

Evidence from countires with socialized medicine show higher mortality rates than the U.S. for cancer and significantly longer wait times for treatments. Do some research and don't drink the Obam-Aid.

I believe there was a more detailed breakdown of the flaws, I just couldn't find it. To me, the factaul basis of the WHO raniking are debatable and the factual conclusions and the reasoning used to reach those conclusions are faulty.

[CRedskinsRule]

firstdown -Very interesting reading, has an interesting quote from Thomas Jefferson (I am still reading it, but this quote really struck me)

Though social policies sometimes governed the course of tax policy even in the early days of the Republic, the nature of these policies did not extend either to the collection of taxes so as to equalize incomes and wealth, or for the purpose of redistributing income or wealth. As Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."

[CRedskinsRule]

and this

The Act expired in 1902, so that Federal receipts fell from 1.7 percent of Gross Domestic Product to 1.3 percent.

So 108 years later, anyone know what percent of Gross Domestic product the the Federal receipts is now?

edit: if these numbers are right, our GDP is 14.2 Trillion, and the federal receipts is 2.52 Trillion. So, again if my math is right, it is about 18%.

[RiggoRanger]

I'm with you bro. Socialized medicine is a nightmare, and we've only to look no further than Canada and the UK for all the evidence we need. If you get cancer or any serious disease in the UK, it's practically a death sentence. If you're in Canada...well, at least you can come to the USA for treatment, but with Obamacare, that's about to change.

It's good to see that ABC has given up its attempts to hide its liberal bias. Those guys are in the tank for the the hard left and will do anything they can to help further their agenda, even if it means distorting the facts and not giving voice to dissenters. Many of those dissenters are Blue Dog Democrats and other moderates.

Even if you don't know all the specifics of Obamacare... why pass it NOW, when we're in the worst economic times in 80 years? What is the rush to push this through without any open debate about it? And if you trust Obama...why? The stimulus was a massive failure, yet will cost us for generations. He promised it would curb unemployment, and that by NOT passing it, it would go all the way to 9%. Well, they passed it, and now we're on our way to 10% unemployment. But we have added 10 TRILLION in debt (most of it earmarks) for the next decade. Obama attempts to allay our fears by making up unquantifiable statistics such as "jobs saved" -- which cannot be identified or tracked by the census bureau.

The simple truth--and one that should piss off ALL Americans irrespective of their political leanings--is that this administration and this congress is hurrying to pass this train-wreck of a bill before the American people have a chance to learn what's in it. We are being lied to about what it will cost us over time, and we are being fed a lie about how we will get to keep the coverage many of us already have. No one who is voting for it will read it in its entirety, and none of us will have an opportunity to, either.

A big NO on socialized heathcare.

[dmek25]

it is stupid. why give anyone anything, for the fear of the system being manipulated far outweighs the real need for help? does anyone realize how foolish this sounds?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

it is stupid. why give anyone anything, for the fear of the system being manipulated far outweighs the real need for help? does anyone realize how foolish this sounds?

If thats in response to what I posted thats not what I said. I just stated that the system is abused. The problem is that there is no real checks and balance in the system.

[dmek25]

first, its like anything else. any program/ system that is set up by anyone, will eventually be hi-jacked by someone.that someone is always looking for the easy way out. but you cant penalize the people that need it. im not in agreement with the new proposal. but something definitely needs done

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

first, its like anything else. any program/ system that is set up by anyone, will eventually be hi-jacked by someone.that someone is always looking for the easy way out. but you cant penalize the people that need it. im not in agreement with the new proposal. but something definitely needs done

We agree that people will take advantage of the system but if you have low standars then it allows alot of people to take advantage of the system. Their are family trees that have generations of family members that rely on goverment assistance. At some point we have to make them accountable for themself and their family and tell them they need to get a job.