Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid

SmootSmack · 07-13-2009, 05:27 PM

Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn doesn't play by conventional rules - ESPN

WaldSkins · 07-13-2009, 05:42 PM

I think it points to what everyone here is saying, if he has a good season he will get paid if not then he's gone.

Schneed10 · 07-13-2009, 05:53 PM

Good read.

I like what I hear about Zorn's plan for the offense, and I really like the motto (now in my sig). I think he has a real good plan in place, and he's right, the best offenses take time.

The question to me comes down to personnel. I think Campbell has what it takes, but do we have the line, and do we have the WRs? That's the key.

... as we've discussed ad nauseum.

GTripp0012 · 07-13-2009, 05:58 PM

Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.

GTripp0012 · 07-13-2009, 06:00 PM

And the quarterback who was found to be most similar to Campbell, using his accuracy score...well, you guys will like this:

Jay Cutler. Almost identical in accuracy last year.

tryfuhl · 07-13-2009, 06:06 PM

It's interesting to see the numbers broken down that way, comforting as well, but the only thing that matters at the end of the season is how far you got and how many W's you pulled if not into the playoffs. That'll be sooner to seal Campbell's fate than some blog's ratings.

GTripp0012 · 07-13-2009, 06:09 PM

Although, Campbell has taken a beating over the last two years, he's been the most consistently hit QB in the league over that timeframe, so if there's a legitimate worry that he might regress, it's in the fact that very few quarterbacks have been able to deal with this much punishment over two years and continue to improve.

But then again, we'll know all this by the end of the season anyway, so there's no need for long term worry.

MTK · 07-13-2009, 06:12 PM

I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.

hooskins · 07-13-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.

I feel similar in that expectations are low and we finally have some stability. Not much change over the offseason(minus AH) is a good thing IMO.

The Goat · 07-13-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.

Luv the stats...no surprises like you said GT. Our WR corp has been just abysmal in the big picture...much like our oline. IMHO we lost the playoff game against Seattle because of two things: piss-poor WR play and an awful oline. The FO has done very little to improve either thing up to this point.

...the conspiracy theorist might think the FO just doesn't want to give JC the opportunity to succeed?

Hog1 · 07-13-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.

I have a good feeling as well........but the difference is I don't have to Sell myself on it as I did with Spurrier
Play like a franchise qb and I'll pay you like it! AWESOME

skinsfan69 · 07-13-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And the quarterback who was found to be most similar to Campbell, using his accuracy score...well, you guys will like this:

Jay Cutler. Almost identical in accuracy last year.

What the stat doesn't tell you is that JC probably completed and attempted more passes under 10 yards than anyone in the NFL. And I bet JC attempted and competed fewer passes over 10 yards than anyone. Bottom line JC needs to stop being a game manager and take more chances so the offense has more production and scores more points. If he does that, and the guys around him play better then he'll be just fine.

Lotus · 07-13-2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking.

I feel the same.

Gmanc711 · 07-13-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

I feel similar in that expectations are low and we finally have some stability. Not much change over the offseason(minus AH) is a good thing IMO.

I guess I have that kind of feeling. I would not be shocked if we went 7-9, I would not be shocked if we went 11-5. I think we have the potential to have one of the top 3 defenses in the league, I really do. Our offense is a huge question mark. I still worry greatly about our line, and dont think we did enough to address it. I love the Dockery signing for the longterm of the team (and I'm a huge Dock guy)... but I dont really know that he is that much of an upgrade over Kendall.

djnemo65 · 07-13-2009, 09:08 PM

Excellent read. Really encapsulates what makes Zorn such a diamond in the bromide spewing world of NFL coaches.

07-13-2009, 05:27 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn doesn't play by conventional rules - ESPN __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-13-2009, 05:42 PM	#2
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 41 Posts: 2,726	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid I think it points to what everyone here is saying, if he has a good season he will get paid if not then he's gone. __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

07-13-2009, 05:53 PM	#3
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid Good read. I like what I hear about Zorn's plan for the offense, and I really like the motto (now in my sig). I think he has a real good plan in place, and he's right, the best offenses take time. The question to me comes down to personnel. I think Campbell has what it takes, but do we have the line, and do we have the WRs? That's the key. ... as we've discussed ad nauseum. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

07-13-2009, 05:58 PM	#4
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown". Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year. None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

07-13-2009, 06:00 PM	#5
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid And the quarterback who was found to be most similar to Campbell, using his accuracy score...well, you guys will like this: Jay Cutler. Almost identical in accuracy last year. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

07-13-2009, 06:06 PM	#6
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid It's interesting to see the numbers broken down that way, comforting as well, but the only thing that matters at the end of the season is how far you got and how many W's you pulled if not into the playoffs. That'll be sooner to seal Campbell's fate than some blog's ratings.

07-13-2009, 06:09 PM	#7
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid Although, Campbell has taken a beating over the last two years, he's been the most consistently hit QB in the league over that timeframe, so if there's a legitimate worry that he might regress, it's in the fact that very few quarterbacks have been able to deal with this much punishment over two years and continue to improve. But then again, we'll know all this by the end of the season anyway, so there's no need for long term worry. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

07-13-2009, 06:12 PM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid I've got a good feeling about this year. Yeah I know it's easy to feel good about things in July, but just call it a hunch. I'm feeling something special, and no I haven't been drinking. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-13-2009, 09:08 PM	#15
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid Excellent read. Really encapsulates what makes Zorn such a diamond in the bromide spewing world of NFL coaches.

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