"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

DBUCHANON101 · 08-24-2009, 10:16 AM

I could expect a bad game vs the Gmen, but yeah if he struggles the next 3 games against teams that we should beat then yes there is a decision to be made.

GTripp0012 · 08-24-2009, 10:23 AM

Here's the thing: In 2006, Campbell was a competent option to Brunell should the season go south with Brunell behind center. When we lost 6 of our first 9 games, moving to Campbell didn't salvage anything, but it offered a use of the end of the season for developmental purposes.

If we're as bad as we were in 2006, then Colt or Chase will get some starts in a lost season. But then again, if we're as bad as in 2006, Campbell can't be blamed for that. He didn't get worse in the offseason from our last two seasons of 9 and 8 wins. Obviously, the problems would lie elsewhere.

If we go 8-8 again, and Campbell's numbers are pedestrian, then yeah, you can probably conclude that we botched his development, and that it's time to move on.

GTripp0012 · 08-24-2009, 10:29 AM

BTW, the difference between Jay Cutler and a "disasterous" preseason with 2 INTs and 3 dropped INTs is that a former Redskins practice squad-er layed out and made a beautiful catch on a 47 yard Cutler deep ball. He's struggling in his new offense as well.

CRedskinsRule · 08-24-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

BTW, the difference between Jay Cutler and a "disasterous" preseason with 2 INTs and 3 dropped INTs is that a former Redskins practice squad-er layed out and made a beautiful catch on a 47 yard Cutler deep ball. He's struggling in his new offense as well.

I read the press and was thinking how great Cutler was doing. Then I watched some of the game, and in the same drive that had that catch, Cutler hit a Giants LB square in the hands, and he dropped it. Could absolutely have been a pick six, at the worst the Giants have the ball at the Bears 35. And another INT was cancelled due to a penalty away from the play.

freddyg12 · 08-24-2009, 10:35 AM

I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but enough of them to see how its more posts by those that are anti JC, or don't believe he's a franchise qb, rather than how he did saturday, in only 7 passes.

I'm a JC fan, so I want to say he did alright. Objectively, Zorn complimented his decisions & said that he's got to make that play to santana. JC himself said last week that sometimes he's gonna put it up there to let the wr make a play, i.e. take some chances. That's what that first deep ball was, gave Kelly a shot. Of course it was underthrown, but not a "bad" pass IMO given the circumstances.

He may not ever be a really accurate qb, but if he consistently makes decisions as well as he did saturday, he'll be accurate enough to win games.

53Fan · 08-24-2009, 10:39 AM

Nobody panics around here do they?

12thMan · 08-24-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Nobody panics around here do they?

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SC Skins Fan · 08-24-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Nobody panics around here do they?

And I thought the offseason was bad.

DBUCHANON101 · 08-24-2009, 10:45 AM

Yeah Cutler will struggle this yr, not as much for being in the new offense but for lack of wr's. Other than Hester who is a project wr i cant name one. I know they drafted Iglasias and maybe he can help but its not a stellar group of targets by any means. He has a good TE and he has a nice young RB but thats about it. Our wr corps is head and shoulders above what Chicago has.

Dirtbag59 · 08-24-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Yeah Cutler will struggle this yr, not as much for being in the new offense but for lack of wr's. Other than Hester who is a project wr i cant name one. I know they drafted Iglasias and maybe he can help but its not a stellar group of targets by any means. He has a good TE and he has a nice young RB but thats about it. Our wr corps is head and shoulders above what Chicago has.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Good QB's make Good WR's. There are very few guys in the league that can turn a bad QB into a good QB. Randy Moss in his prime was the best example (I don't think he's capable anymore though of getting a 2nd string QB multiple 90+ rating games on his own anymore).

Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, and Steve Smith are among the very small number of receivers that have proved they can succeed with poor QB play.

Trust me there will be guys in the Bears receiving core that will be on a fair amount of fantasy teams by mid-season. Though I agree that we have a much better receiving core then the Bears. Still 99 times out of 100 that means nothing if you don't have a guy that can get them the ball.

skinsfan69 · 08-24-2009, 10:53 AM

I think what confuses me is here we have one of the worst scoring offenses in the NFL and the 1st team offense isn't getting a lot of game reps. The running game doesn't really need a lot of work IMO so no need to be running Mason a ton. It's pre season so throw the ball and work on the weakness of the offense. Sorry Zorn but JC needs the work or he needs more than 7 attempts.

over the mountain · 08-24-2009, 10:58 AM

^^ i didnt get to watch the whole game and even then it was on a crappy tv with no audio but i was surprised to see JC only had 7 pass attempts compared to romo, hassleback and others who had 20 + pass attempts.

why was this?

i did get to see JC hold onto the ball on a 3rd and something deep in our territory. the O line gave him all day (probably b/c the defense dropped back and didnt brin extra guys) but it was frustrating to see JC just sit there nad hold onto the ball. im guessing no one was wide open = JC doesnt throw you the ball.

im not to worried. the O has to be better than last year, the D certainly should be.

go skins!!

skinsfan69 · 08-24-2009, 11:03 AM

Is it me or does Collins seem to get the ball out quicker and anticipate wr's coming out of their breaks better than JC does. Just an observation.

Trample the Elderly · 08-24-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Is it me or does Collins seem to get the ball out quicker and anticipate wr's coming out of their breaks better than JC does. Just an observation.

And a good observation it is.

NYCskinfan82 · 08-24-2009, 11:13 AM

Relax it's preseason JC is the answer & if it turns out he isn't were in trouble if you think Colt or Chase are ready child please. Zorn has JC doing certain things. This Friday i think we will see at least 10 points by the 1st string OF. JC is the man relax he's going to be our QB for yrs to come.

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08-24-2009, 10:16 AM	#1
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" I could expect a bad game vs the Gmen, but yeah if he struggles the next 3 games against teams that we should beat then yes there is a decision to be made. __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

08-24-2009, 10:23 AM	#2
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Here's the thing: In 2006, Campbell was a competent option to Brunell should the season go south with Brunell behind center. When we lost 6 of our first 9 games, moving to Campbell didn't salvage anything, but it offered a use of the end of the season for developmental purposes. If we're as bad as we were in 2006, then Colt or Chase will get some starts in a lost season. But then again, if we're as bad as in 2006, Campbell can't be blamed for that. He didn't get worse in the offseason from our last two seasons of 9 and 8 wins. Obviously, the problems would lie elsewhere. If we go 8-8 again, and Campbell's numbers are pedestrian, then yeah, you can probably conclude that we botched his development, and that it's time to move on. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

08-24-2009, 10:29 AM	#3
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" BTW, the difference between Jay Cutler and a "disasterous" preseason with 2 INTs and 3 dropped INTs is that a former Redskins practice squad-er layed out and made a beautiful catch on a 47 yard Cutler deep ball. He's struggling in his new offense as well. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

08-24-2009, 10:35 AM	#5
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but enough of them to see how its more posts by those that are anti JC, or don't believe he's a franchise qb, rather than how he did saturday, in only 7 passes. I'm a JC fan, so I want to say he did alright. Objectively, Zorn complimented his decisions & said that he's got to make that play to santana. JC himself said last week that sometimes he's gonna put it up there to let the wr make a play, i.e. take some chances. That's what that first deep ball was, gave Kelly a shot. Of course it was underthrown, but not a "bad" pass IMO given the circumstances. He may not ever be a really accurate qb, but if he consistently makes decisions as well as he did saturday, he'll be accurate enough to win games.

08-24-2009, 10:39 AM	#6
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Nobody panics around here do they? __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

08-24-2009, 10:45 AM	#9
DBUCHANON101 The Starter Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,373	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Yeah Cutler will struggle this yr, not as much for being in the new offense but for lack of wr's. Other than Hester who is a project wr i cant name one. I know they drafted Iglasias and maybe he can help but its not a stellar group of targets by any means. He has a good TE and he has a nice young RB but thats about it. Our wr corps is head and shoulders above what Chicago has. __________________ But there's booze in the blender. And soon it will render. That frozen concoction that helps me hang on.

08-24-2009, 10:53 AM	#11
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,586	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" I think what confuses me is here we have one of the worst scoring offenses in the NFL and the 1st team offense isn't getting a lot of game reps. The running game doesn't really need a lot of work IMO so no need to be running Mason a ton. It's pre season so throw the ball and work on the weakness of the offense. Sorry Zorn but JC needs the work or he needs more than 7 attempts.

08-24-2009, 10:58 AM	#12
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" ^^ i didnt get to watch the whole game and even then it was on a crappy tv with no audio but i was surprised to see JC only had 7 pass attempts compared to romo, hassleback and others who had 20 + pass attempts. why was this? i did get to see JC hold onto the ball on a 3rd and something deep in our territory. the O line gave him all day (probably b/c the defense dropped back and didnt brin extra guys) but it was frustrating to see JC just sit there nad hold onto the ball. im guessing no one was wide open = JC doesnt throw you the ball. im not to worried. the O has to be better than last year, the D certainly should be. go skins!! __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

08-24-2009, 11:03 AM	#13
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,586	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Is it me or does Collins seem to get the ball out quicker and anticipate wr's coming out of their breaks better than JC does. Just an observation.

08-24-2009, 11:13 AM	#15
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 56 Posts: 3,803	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Relax it's preseason JC is the answer & if it turns out he isn't were in trouble if you think Colt or Chase are ready child please. Zorn has JC doing certain things. This Friday i think we will see at least 10 points by the 1st string OF. JC is the man relax he's going to be our QB for yrs to come.

"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

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