"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

Chico23231 · 08-26-2009, 10:58 AM

Bottom line is JC will be given, and rightfully so, his fifth year to live up to his expectations. If he doesnt lead a pretty talented team to the playoffs he will not be here in 2010 (along with Zorn). There will be no more excuses after the season starts. I think as die hard fans you want to see this team in the playoffs and you want a franchise QB. JC has all the physical tools no question, I do have some doubts on his mental/decesion making approach in the pocket. But we need to get behind him let the season play out. I havent been happy with his play so far in the preseason, but hey its the preseason rather have him let bad here than the real season. We do have the first half of last season to look at and say this guy has the ability to win.

MTK · 08-26-2009, 11:15 AM

Guess I'm crazy because I'm not sweating what we've seen on 13 pass attempts in the preseason for the same reason if he was 13/13 the anti-JC folks would be saying, meh... it's only preseason.

warriorzpath · 08-26-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guess I'm crazy because I'm not sweating what we've seen on 13 pass attempts in the preseason for the same reason if he was 13/13 the anti-JC folks would be saying, meh... it's only preseason.

Actually, instead of being anti-JC, I would be the president of his fan club.

firstdown · 08-26-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Guess I'm crazy because I'm not sweating what we've seen on 13 pass attempts in the preseason for the same reason if he was 13/13 the anti-JC folks would be saying, meh... it's only preseason.

Your just one wild and crazy guy. You say that like people want to talk down JC and I'd say most would rather be saying how great he is looking and he is going to be great this year.

MTK · 08-26-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Your just one wild and crazy guy. You say that like people want to talk down JC and I'd say most would rather be saying how great he is looking and he is going to be great this year.

If he was tearing it up there would definitely be a few folks that would write it off as being just the preseason.

warriorzpath · 08-26-2009, 11:25 AM

There's a fine line in playing well and playing below average. If Jason Campbell hits the 10-yarder to Moss for a third down conversion or hits Kelly deep for a possible touchdown, then he would have had a good game. But he didn't when he had chances, that's the difference. Seemingly small difference, but are actually huge.

Jay Schroeder · 08-26-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There's a fine line in playing well and playing below average. If Jason Campbell hits the 10-yarder to Moss for a third down conversion or hits Kelly deep for a possible touchdown, then he would have had a good game. But he didn't when he had chances, that's the difference. Seemingly small difference, but are actually huge.

Agreed, Good qbs make those throws.

GTripp0012 · 08-26-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There's a fine line in playing well and playing below average. If Jason Campbell hits the 10-yarder to Moss for a third down conversion or hits Kelly deep for a possible touchdown, then he would have had a good game. But he didn't when he had chances, that's the difference. Seemingly small difference, but are actually huge.

The bolded statement is certainly true, but I'm going to have to go out on the limb and suggest that a 3rd down pass on the first drive in a preseason game is probably not anywhere near that line.

GTripp0012 · 08-26-2009, 05:30 PM

Can the Campbell detractors please not say that if he was 11-for-11 in the preseason instead of 4-for-13 that they would be leading the charge FOR him? C'mon, you and I both know we're dealing with a meaningless sample there. We also both know that while I know we'd all like him to succeed, your denial of him having the ability to do so is the reason we disagree. I do not deny his ability to be sucessful, you do, and there's really nothing wrong with that. But let's not act like seven completions in the preseason would make you think that, "wow, this guy has the goods."

Matty is 100% correct. If he was 11-for-11 in the preseason, there would be about 20% as many people on these Campbell threads, and "lets wait for the season" would be the mantra.

Lotus · 08-26-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can the Campbell detractors please not say that if he was 11-for-11 in the preseason instead of 4-for-13 that they would be leading the charge FOR him? C'mon, you and I both know we're dealing with a meaningless sample there. We also both know that while I know we'd all like him to succeed, your denial of him having the ability to do so is the reason we disagree. I do not deny his ability to be sucessful, you do, and there's really nothing wrong with that. But let's not act like seven completions in the preseason would make you think that, "wow, this guy has the goods."

Matty is 100% correct. If he was 11-for-11 in the preseason, there would be about 20% as many people on these Campbell threads, and "lets wait for the season" would be the mantra.

And even if JC lights it up over the first 8 games this year, they'd be crying about the second half of last year and predicting his final-8-games demise.

NYCskinfan82 · 08-26-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

And even if JC lights it up over the first 8 games this year, they'd be crying about the second half of last year and predicting his final-8-games demise.

A very true statement. We are a better team it's just ashame when you have to prove it to your own so called fans. But that's what make this website great your allowed to voice your own opinions. HTTR.

GusFrerotte · 08-26-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can the Campbell detractors please not say that if he was 11-for-11 in the preseason instead of 4-for-13 that they would be leading the charge FOR him? C'mon, you and I both know we're dealing with a meaningless sample there. We also both know that while I know we'd all like him to succeed, your denial of him having the ability to do so is the reason we disagree. I do not deny his ability to be sucessful, you do, and there's really nothing wrong with that. But let's not act like seven completions in the preseason would make you think that, "wow, this guy has the goods."

Matty is 100% correct. If he was 11-for-11 in the preseason, there would be about 20% as many people on these Campbell threads, and "lets wait for the season" would be the mantra.

I doubt that Tripp. IF JC was perfect in the preseason everone would be saying he finally climbed the hill or turned the corner so to speak and will be more than ready for the season to start. What you have here are a bunch of guys that are comparing last preseason to this one and are seeing some similarities. 1 for 7 on a wet night doesn't mean the end of the world, but it still didn't look great, especially since we still can't do squat in the red zone.

GTripp0012 · 08-26-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I doubt that Tripp. IF JC was perfect in the preseason everone would be saying he finally climbed the hill or turned the corner so to speak and will be more than ready for the season to start. What you have here are a bunch of guys that are comparing last preseason to this one and are seeing some similarities. 1 for 7 on a wet night doesn't mean the end of the world, but it still didn't look great, especially since we still can't do squat in the red zone.

Good points, but it's not like we even tried to throw the ball in the red zone.

KLHJ2 · 08-26-2009, 05:38 PM

There was nothing wrong with Campbells performance. The production just didn't match up with the rest of the positives. Like GTripp said "the sample size was too small" as well. Don't we have more pressing issues like who the back up waterboy is going to be?

warriorzpath · 08-26-2009, 11:07 PM

I just don't get the way that some purposely overlook plays that Campbell failed in. what the hell is the excuse for missing moss for 10 yards and a 3rd down conversion. it's just preseason ... please. are u all saying that he misses that because it's just preseason or maybe he just didn't get enough snaps. or maybe it was against last year's 1st ranked defense (even though the defense had nothing to do with the incompletion). lets face it, whatever it was ,there really is not an excuse for this play.

And why is this play along with his other plays this preseason meaningless? the only meaningless thing for the players in preseason is the score. When the players are in there, they compete the way they would during the season. Just look at Haynesworth, or ask Brennan or Daniels if it is meaningless. Shoot even mister anti-preseason, Portis, hurt his shoulder to prevent a defensive td in a preseason game.

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08-26-2009, 10:58 AM	#1
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,307	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Bottom line is JC will be given, and rightfully so, his fifth year to live up to his expectations. If he doesnt lead a pretty talented team to the playoffs he will not be here in 2010 (along with Zorn). There will be no more excuses after the season starts. I think as die hard fans you want to see this team in the playoffs and you want a franchise QB. JC has all the physical tools no question, I do have some doubts on his mental/decesion making approach in the pocket. But we need to get behind him let the season play out. I havent been happy with his play so far in the preseason, but hey its the preseason rather have him let bad here than the real season. We do have the first half of last season to look at and say this guy has the ability to win.

08-26-2009, 11:15 AM	#2
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,044	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Guess I'm crazy because I'm not sweating what we've seen on 13 pass attempts in the preseason for the same reason if he was 13/13 the anti-JC folks would be saying, meh... it's only preseason. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-26-2009, 11:25 AM	#6
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" There's a fine line in playing well and playing below average. If Jason Campbell hits the 10-yarder to Moss for a third down conversion or hits Kelly deep for a possible touchdown, then he would have had a good game. But he didn't when he had chances, that's the difference. Seemingly small difference, but are actually huge.

08-26-2009, 05:30 PM	#9
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" Can the Campbell detractors please not say that if he was 11-for-11 in the preseason instead of 4-for-13 that they would be leading the charge FOR him? C'mon, you and I both know we're dealing with a meaningless sample there. We also both know that while I know we'd all like him to succeed, your denial of him having the ability to do so is the reason we disagree. I do not deny his ability to be sucessful, you do, and there's really nothing wrong with that. But let's not act like seven completions in the preseason would make you think that, "wow, this guy has the goods." Matty is 100% correct. If he was 11-for-11 in the preseason, there would be about 20% as many people on these Campbell threads, and "lets wait for the season" would be the mantra. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

08-26-2009, 05:38 PM	#14
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 47 Posts: 5,829	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" There was nothing wrong with Campbells performance. The production just didn't match up with the rest of the positives. Like GTripp said "the sample size was too small" as well. Don't we have more pressing issues like who the back up waterboy is going to be?

08-26-2009, 11:07 PM	#15
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: "Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers" I just don't get the way that some purposely overlook plays that Campbell failed in. what the hell is the excuse for missing moss for 10 yards and a 3rd down conversion. it's just preseason ... please. are u all saying that he misses that because it's just preseason or maybe he just didn't get enough snaps. or maybe it was against last year's 1st ranked defense (even though the defense had nothing to do with the incompletion). lets face it, whatever it was ,there really is not an excuse for this play. And why is this play along with his other plays this preseason meaningless? the only meaningless thing for the players in preseason is the score. When the players are in there, they compete the way they would during the season. Just look at Haynesworth, or ask Brennan or Daniels if it is meaningless. Shoot even mister anti-preseason, Portis, hurt his shoulder to prevent a defensive td in a preseason game.

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