"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

How many regular season games would you give Campbell to show he deserves to be the starter?

At this rate 2 or 3. I think thats enough games for him to show something and yet still early enough to salvage the season.

[Counter-Tre]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

At this rate 2 or 3. I think thats enough games for him to show something and yet still early enough to salvage the season.

Exactly my thoughts. I was thinking three games. I do not want to spend another entire season hoping things will click. It's make or break time.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

Exactly my thoughts. I was thinking three games. I do not want to spend another entire season hoping things will click. It's make or break time.

So after 3 games last season would you have pulled him out? I doubt it.

Obviously if our offense struggles against Detroit, KC, and StLouis then you will pull him.

But lets assume that the Skins are a minimum of 5 and 2 at the bye week. Then how do you decide to pull him if he struggles.

The bottom line for me is this season is tied to JC, and even if he fails you don't pull him out until we are eliminated from playoff contention.

Let me ask, suppose we are winning games early, but still averaging 18-21 points per game against the weak part of our schedule, would you pull him out even though we are still in contention for the division and playoffs?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

At this rate 2 or 3. I think thats enough games for him to show something and yet still early enough to salvage the season.

Under what crazy bizarre scenario could our team struggle so badly to get Campbell benched after three games, and how exactly would putting in one of our other QBs that no one else wants salvage anything?

Campbell is literally the only chance this team has. If they really can't win with him, then the team is too flawed to win, pure and simple. It's a 5-11 season if we have Collins/Brennan start 12+ games.

Is that where we are, assuming that the season has already been wasted?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

How many regular season games would you give Campbell to show he deserves to be the starter?

I would say at least 10. It depends on our record. I'm not being a JC apologist here. It's just that we don't have much choice.

Collins: experienced but with a noodle arm and not the future
Colt/Chase: so inexperienced that they likely will be eaten alive by NFC East defenses

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I would say at least 10. It depends on our record. I'm not being a JC apologist here. It's just that we don't have much choice.

Collins: experienced but with a noodle arm and not the future
Colt/Chase: so inexperienced that they likely will be eaten alive by NFC East defenses

Exactly, our roster is set up for Campbell to be a 16 game starter. We simply don't have the players at the backup QB position to replace the starter mid-season. Collins can't play more than a couple of games and it would be crazy to put Brennan or Daniel in the position to win a string of games.

Let's see how it plays out, we'll have our answers in a few short weeks.

[GusFrerotte]

Dilfer sucked, but had the stifling D. We do not have a stifling D.

[12thMan]

I keep hearing people say all we need for Jason Campbell to do is manage the game. Then they go on to point to the Ravens stellar Super Bowl defensive unit as evidence that you can win championships in the NFL with a mediocre quarterback and a top notch defense. While that may be true, it's the exception and not the rule in the NFL.

I think that logic is flawed on two fronts. First, that Raven's defensive unit could arguably go down as the most dominate defensive unit of all time. Possibly. We're talking a few Hall of Famers on that team too. In no way does the Redskins current defensive unit resemble that Ravens Super Bowl team.

Secondly, isn't that what the Redskins were doing last year anyway. Get a lead and sit on it? It's not that Jason can't manage a game, the offense just became too predictable down the stretch. I don't care how well you manage a game in the NFL, you still need more points than the other team. The Ravens Super Bowl defensive unit could actually score touchdowns when the offense didn't. If the Redskins can't put up more than 21 points per game this year, I don't care how much Campbell has improved we won't win that many games.

The two starting quarterbacks in last year's Super Bowl, had more fumbles and lost fumbles than Jason Campbell. Campbell had a total of 7 fumbles last season and lost only one. Roughly half the number he had the previous year. Big Ben had 14 fumbles last season and lost seven. Kurt Warner had 11 fumbles and lost seven. I think it's worth noting that Campbell only had six interceptions as well. Compared to Warner and Big Ben, Campbell is taking care of the ball.

So it's not just about managing the game, but managing the momentum of the game. Campbell needs to take more risks with the ball and let the chips fall where they may. Now whether that's a coaching decision or a Jason Campbell decision, I don't know. But we will soon find out.

[JWsleep]

Ah, what would we do in DC without a QB controversy?

JC has to win games. I know that's trite and obvious, but there you have it. However he manages to do that, fine. If it's Dilfer-like and we win, great. If it's more gunslinger, also great. Most likely it's between the two. Taking risks is all well and good, but TOs kill ya. But not taking shots kills ya too. What a world.

Here's my feeling about any controversy: Collins is a passable backup, but he does not have the arm to win for us. I don't know if Zorn "Loves JC"--he's stuck with him, IMO. So trying to keep his spirits up, shield him in the press, whatever. I assume that behind closed doors he is doing whatever he can to get JC better. It's really his only hope: Collins can come in for a few wins at best, but that's it. It's JC or bust this year.

[That Guy]

I'm not really convinced that that QB rating is the absolute best way to measure QB's.

that said, dilfer sucked. I mean, come on.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I'm not really convinced that that QB rating is the absolute best way to measure QB's.

that said, dilfer sucked. I mean, come on.

Fair enough. I was trying to keep the post relatively short so I used ratings rather than trotting out tons of different stats.

You summarized the point well.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I'm not really convinced that that QB rating is the absolute best way to measure QB's.

that said, dilfer sucked. I mean, come on.

I beg to DILFER... He would have won a superbowl with Tampa if he stayed there. He was a solid game manager, ala Joe Theismann.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

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I beg to DILFER... He would have won a superbowl with Tampa if he stayed there. He was a solid game manager, ala Joe Theismann.

Dilfer was a much better qb than our own Brad Johnson. All things considerd, He won the superbowl under less favorable circumstances offensively than Doug Williams, or Joe Theismann. LOOK IT UP.
All things considered, with unproven wide recievers and o line, I do see the Redskins situation more like the Ravens of 2000 than previous Redskin championship teams..

[DieHardSkinsFan777]

and this is a surprise? keep making excuses for a lame duck qb that will continue to do nothing for this franchise. jc is on a very short leash to say the very least. he will be on the bench before the seasons end.

on to the bright side chase looked well in his debut. could very well unseat colt maybe todd before its all said and done

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by DieHardSkinsFan777

and this is a surprise? keep making excuses for a lame duck qb that will continue to do nothing for this franchise. jc is on a very short leash to say the very least. he will be on the bench before the seasons end.

on to the bright side chase looked well in his debut. could very well unseat colt maybe todd before its all said and done

I agree with you that it is NO surprise that Campbell has yet again left the faithfull wanting more...
I am NO Campbell appologist, and was a supporter of bringing in Cutler, but not Sanchez... I want the best oppertunity for this Redskin team to be successful, and these days its with Soup...