"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

[MTK]

Starters other than JC with a preseason QB rating less than 70

Kyle Orton
Kurt Warner
Trent Edwards
Carson Palmer
Kerry Collins

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Starters other than JC with a preseason QB rating less than 70

Kyle Orton
Kurt Warner
Trent Edwards
Carson Palmer
Kerry Collins

Are any in the 40's??

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Are any in the 40's??

Do you believe JC's will be in the 40's during the regular season?

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Do you believe JC's will be in the 40's during the regular season?

Im talking right now, yes its preseason. but it does raise a concern when most of the other starting QB's can go out there and face these vanilla defenses and can put up points while we struggle. we will see how he does this week but to this point the performance has been piss poor.

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Do you believe JC's will be in the 40's during the regular season?

do you believe JC will take us to the playoffs?

and if so whats ur basis? hes shown me nothing

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

do you believe JC will take us to the playoffs?

and if so whats ur basis? hes shown me nothing

Qualify, he's shown you nothing. To this point, I have to assume you're blind.

Take a play, any passing play from the Zorn era, and break it down for me on what Campbell didn't do to show you. If you've actually seen enough Campbell to draw any conclusions, this is a very simple exercise.

And..go.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Are any in the 40's??

actually yeah, a few of them are very close

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

actually yeah, a few of them are very close

Ok, from highest to lowest of the ones you named plus JC. how does he rate among them?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Starters other than JC with a preseason QB rating less than 70

Kyle Orton
Kurt Warner
Trent Edwards
Carson Palmer
Kerry Collins

Take Orton his rating is down because he has thrown 4 ints. which are not good but that tells me he is trying to make plays. I'd rather JC have a few ints. trying to make plays then having nothing from him and at this point in preseason that what we have. Maybe its the preasure on him to preform and he has not seen enough playing time to shake of the nerves but right now QB is my biggest worry.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Take Orton his rating is down because he has thrown 4 ints. which are not good but that tells me he is trying to make plays. I'd rather JC have a few ints. trying to make plays then having nothing from him and at this point in preseason that what we have. Maybe its the preasure on him to preform and he has not seen enough playing time to shake of the nerves but right now QB is my biggest worry.

Orton has thrown 4 INTs because he sucks. Let's not spin a positive out of a negative here. He's not being any more aggressive than Campbell, he's just in a new offense for the first time in his professional career, and he's getting picked off every time he goes to his third read.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Take Orton his rating is down because he has thrown 4 ints. which are not good but that tells me he is trying to make plays. I'd rather JC have a few ints. trying to make plays then having nothing from him and at this point in preseason that what we have. Maybe its the preasure on him to preform and he has not seen enough playing time to shake of the nerves but right now QB is my biggest worry.

HEY MAN!! Get off of Orton's back. Dont you know he is in a NEW OFFENSE

[GMScud]

I've defended Campbell tooth and nail since we drafted him. Yes he had a solid start to last year, but has otherwise been unimpressive. The time is now Jason. I'm not gonna scream for your head after a few preseason games, but the "give him time" excuse runs out on the first snap of week 1. This is it buddy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I've defended Campbell tooth and nail since we drafted him. Yes he had a solid start to last year, but has otherwise been unimpressive. The time is now Jason. I'm not gonna scream for your head after a few preseason games, but the "give him time" excuse runs out on the first snap of week 1. This is it buddy.

Agreed. And those defending or attacking him based on his seven passes on Saturday are not looking at the whole picture. This is, dare I say it, just like Patrick Ramsey all over again. Where he ended 2004 ok and you wanted to see that next summer/fall some growth and it wasn't totally there. To me, the same situation is happening right now with Campbell. Yes he made some smart decisions but on the surface he's not necessarily a better QB than he was when last season ended. Can he still be a franchise QB? Absolutely. Is it fatalistic to think this is as good as it gets for Campbell?. Not at all.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Take Orton his rating is down because he has thrown 4 ints. which are not good but that tells me he is trying to make plays. I'd rather JC have a few ints. trying to make plays then having nothing from him and at this point in preseason that what we have. Maybe its the preasure on him to preform and he has not seen enough playing time to shake of the nerves but right now QB is my biggest worry.

So, essentially, if the two deep balls had been picked off you would've felt better?

For a lot of people on this board, Jason was too conservative. He took two shots in 7 attempts on Saturday...I'm pretty sure he was trying to make a play. 2 of the other incompletions were screens he basically grounded because he was smart enough to not make a bad play turn out worse. Also, the 1 completion he had was on a 3rd and relatively long which immediately followed a completion that was called back because of an illegal shift (or formation). I don't quite understand how he wasn't trying to make a play in that situation.

I'm not thrilled with the way he performed, but to say "Orton's rating is down because he's throwing picks, trying to make plays" is just a dumb statement. That implies you'd be happier if Jason were throwing picks. He took 2 shots out of 7 Saturday, I'm pretty sure that's trying to make plays.

By this logic those 2 out of 7 imply that the Redskins are going to throw deep over 28% of the time this season and they'll never complete any of them. See how far assumptions based off of a limited sample size go?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jdlea

By this logic those 2 out of 7 imply that the Redskins are going to throw deep over 28% of the time this season and they'll never complete any of them. See how far assumptions based off of a limited sample size go?

Excellent summary.