Vinny tips his hand on the final 53

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here

"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."

You sly dog you.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here

"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."

Just throwing this out there....Rock is the KR. If he partakes in kickoffs I wouldn't know it cause someone else made all the tackles last yr mostly Thomas and a LB but I forget who. Rock does not partake in PR or atleast he's not significant cause he's not the runner, but if he's blocking then you can't tell me someone else can't block....they are football players. As for Punting I think he has been the last man back prior to the kicker setting up as a blocker ....I can understand that.

I asked once and will again. Can anyone show like a layout of who plays on special teams and their position they play and any back ups to those players?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Just throwing this out there....Rock is the KR. If he partakes in kickoffs I wouldn't know it cause someone else made all the tackles last yr mostly Thomas and a LB but I forget who. Rock does not partake in PR or atleast he's not significant cause he's not the runner, but if he's blocking then you can't tell me someone else can't block....they are football players. As for Punting I think he has been the last man back prior to the kicker setting up as a blocker ....I can understand that.

I asked once and will again. Can anyone show like a layout of who plays on special teams and their position they play and any back ups to those players?

I would like to see that also. I was actually trying to google it and ran across an article that I had missed before about who leads the team in ST tackles and players mentioned on special teams. Seems that Khary Campbell was the top tackler 4 years straight. Which puzzles me because some people argue we should keep people because of special team needs only. He also played on defense not just one unit. But the leading tackler got cut. Notice the title of this article.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Dealing_With_Turnover_On_Kick_Coverage_Un it_46961.jsp

[Lotus]

In other news, Vick has been cleared to play in week 3. Our first game with Filthy is week 7.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."

Thanks for the quote. I'm sure alot of people here didnt know that Rock Cartwright played 4 positions on special teams. I figured I'd piggy back off your post and share some other facts that some of you may not know about Rock Cartwright:

•When Rock Cartwright does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
•Rock Cartwright is so fast, he can run around the world and round kick himself in the back of the head.
•182,000 Americans die from Rock Cartwright-related accidents every year.
•Rock Cartwright can kill two stones with one bird
•There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Rock Cartwright has allowed to live.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thanks for the quote. I'm sure alot of people here didnt know that Rock Cartwright played 4 positions on special teams. I figured I'd piggy back off your post and share some other facts that some of you may not know about Rock Cartwright:

•When Rock Cartwright does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
•Rock Cartwright is so fast, he can run around the world and round kick himself in the back of the head.
•182,000 Americans die from Rock Cartwright-related accidents every year.
•Rock Cartwright can kill two stones with one bird
•There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Rock Cartwright has allowed to live.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thanks for the quote. I'm sure alot of people here didnt know that Rock Cartwright played 4 positions on special teams. I figured I'd piggy back off your post and share some other facts that some of you may not know about Rock Cartwright:

•When Rock Cartwright does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
•Rock Cartwright is so fast, he can run around the world and round kick himself in the back of the head.
•182,000 Americans die from Rock Cartwright-related accidents every year.
•Rock Cartwright can kill two stones with one bird
•There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Rock Cartwright has allowed to live.

LMAO. My stomache is hurting..Thanks for the comic relief!!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Regardless of who our #2 and #3 RBs are, the thought occurred to me that neither Rock or Betts will likely still be on the team in 2 years. We're financially committed to Portis, but neither of them is particularly explosive, and other than one great stretch a couple of years ago for Betts, neither of them has done much of anything as an RB in the NFL. What i'm getting to is that within the next 2 years, we're probably going to use a high draft pick or two on a running back to spell Portis on a more consistent basis and add some "UMPH!" to our running attack. So in the long-term, it doesnt really matter who makes the roster behind Portis now; so we might as well pick the guy(s) we think have the best chance to make an impact now. If we really need special teams help, then Rock stays. If we don't there,s no reason to keep him around. Betts is useless on special teams, so what we have to ask is, are Mason, Alridge, or Dorsey better complimentary backs to Portis than Betts. If not, then there's no reason to cut Betts.

One other thing to consider is even if we added Mason, Aldridge, or Dorsey as an extra running back, they probably wouldnt be active on gameday, since the plan would always be to have Rock for Special-Teams-Only and Betts for Backing-Up-Portis-Only and Sellars is our Only FullBack. So the only reason to keep a 5th back on the 53-man roster is because we are worried about injuries and feel the potential 5th back is so amazing that he wouldnt last on our practice squad. From that perspective, I don't think Mason, Aldridge, or Dorsey deserves to be a 5th back, who will always be inactive on gameday. I could potentially accept it if one of them made it at the expense of Betts or Cartwright, but not as a 5th guy. If thats the plan, we'd be better served to place two of them on the practice squad and see who sticks.

At the end of the day, i'd be truly shocked if our RB situation doesnt look exactly like it did last year. The only option i can really see is trading Aldridge for Cartwright. The dude's got some serious speed and Cartwright doesnt really contribute as much to this team as some think he does. Remember, despite all the talk about how vital he is to our special teams, not a single team in the 31-team league wanted him when he was a FA last year. Not one. If that's not damning, then I don't know what is.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Regardless of who our #2 and #3 RBs are, the thought occurred to me that neither Rock or Betts will likely still be on the team in 2 years. We're financially committed to Portis, but neither of them is particularly explosive, and other than one great stretch a couple of years ago for Betts, neither of them has done much of anything as an RB in the NFL. What i'm getting to is that within the next 2 years, we're probably going to use a high draft pick or two on a running back to spell Portis on a more consistent basis and add some "UMPH!" to our running attack. So in the long-term, it doesnt really matter who makes the roster behind Portis now; so we might as well pick the guy(s) we think have the best chance to make an impact NOW.

We're not really that committed to Portis past 2010 either. He's going to be expensive to get rid of whenever we choose to go in another direction, but I think a season with an Alexander-esque 3.2 YPC is probably a prereq to Portis leaving Washington. As long as he's productive, we'll keep employing him.

I agree that the only logical reason that the team wouldn't have spent a late round pick on a back this year is that they are at least planning on using a second rounder on one next year. We could have had Javon Ringer or James Davis in the 5th round instead of Cody Glenn, but the team thought Glenn offered more on special teams, and that they could do better than Ringer or Davis.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We're not really that committed to Portis past 2010 either. He's going to be expensive to get rid of whenever we choose to go in another direction, but I think a season with an Alexander-esque 3.2 YPC is probably a prereq to Portis leaving Washington. As long as he's productive, we'll keep employing him.

I agree that the only logical reason that the team wouldn't have spent a late round pick on a back this year is that they are at least planning on using a second rounder on one next year. We could have had Javon Ringer or James Davis in the 5th round instead of Cody Glenn, but the team thought Glenn offered more on special teams, and that they could do better than Ringer or Davis.

Good point. Congratulations on post 8888.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We're not really that committed to Portis past 2010 either. He's going to be expensive to get rid of whenever we choose to go in another direction, but I think a season with an Alexander-esque 3.2 YPC is probably a prereq to Portis leaving Washington. As long as he's productive, we'll keep employing him.

I agree that the only logical reason that the team wouldn't have spent a late round pick on a back this year is that they are at least planning on using a second rounder on one next year. We could have had Javon Ringer or James Davis in the 5th round instead of Cody Glenn, but the team thought Glenn offered more on special teams, and that they could do better than Ringer or Davis.

Man I was pulling really hard for Javon Ringer pre-draft, and was really annoyed when we took Glenn. I'll be even more annoyed when Glenn gets cut. Given Jonathan Stewart's health right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ringer see some time in Carolina. He's a burner with nice strength and would have made sense with our 5th pick. If Marko pans out, I guess I can forgive Vinny.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Man I was pulling really hard for Javon Ringer pre-draft, and was really annoyed when we took Glenn. I'll be even more annoyed when Glenn gets cut. Given Jonathan Stewart's health right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ringer see some time in Carolina. He's a burner with nice strength and would have made sense with our 5th pick. If Marko pans out, I guess I can forgive Vinny.

For what its worth, i think Glenn will make the team. Henson many not even make the PS. I was also pulling for Ringer. However, if the plan is to draft a true complimentary back to Portis that can scare defenses, then we really need to use atleast a #2 on the position. Looking at another thread on this post, next years draft seems pretty deep at the RB and OT positions in the first 2 rounds. Campbell is showing some promise, so unless Heyer and Mike Williams both turn into starting-quality tackles, i'd be shocked if we didnt go OT and RB with our 1st two picks next year.

[Hamoskinz]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Man I was pulling really hard for Javon Ringer pre-draft, and was really annoyed when we took Glenn. I'll be even more annoyed when Glenn gets cut. Given Jonathan Stewart's health right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ringer see some time in Carolina. He's a burner with nice strength and would have made sense with our 5th pick. If Marko pans out, I guess I can forgive Vinny.

Yeah, I saw the preseason game (vs Giants was it) and I was trying to remember who mentioned the name Javon Ringer in the draft forums. I guess it was you but he is exactly the type of back we are looking for, a scat back that can threaten to score 6 every time he touches the ball.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

At the end of the day, i'd be truly shocked if our RB situation doesnt look exactly like it did last year. The only option i can really see is trading Aldridge for Cartwright. The dude's got some serious speed and Cartwright doesnt really contribute as much to this team as some think he does. Remember, despite all the talk about how vital he is to our special teams, not a single team in the 31-team league wanted him when he was a FA last year. Not one. If that's not damning, then I don't know what is.

Good point!!

[dmvskinzfan08]

I have respect for a lot of people on this board..SBXVII, Gmscud, 53Fan, SmootSmack and some others. Because we can debate or disagree (even agree every now and then on certain points..lol) with each other but not take it to the extreme of name calling. I blasted off on this board because someone had to call me a half wit because I said Rock is expendable. Like I said opinions are just that opinions. The coaches have the final say. When the cuts happen we will see if Rock makes it or not. That's my finaly say..I am beginning to think. Some of these posters are players. Maybe even some coaches..lol..Is that you Danny Smith.. IS that you Rock..? LMAO

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