Taylor or Winslow...

memphisskin · 04-02-2004, 10:32 AM

I vote for Taylor. With TO and Keyshawn in the division, we are going to need to shore up our secondary and all reports I'm hearing about Taylor are that he's the real deal. I admit having Winslow on offense would be a scary sight, if they get any kind of improvement in their line play then a Portis-Coles-Winslow skill position package is immediately among the top in the league. And I'd love to see it, but I still say go with defense. With all the pressure that Williams is going to bring, we're going to need a better safety than Bowen back there. I like Bowen at times, but he's more prone to misfire than Jason Williams's shotgun. Either way, it seems like a can't miss thing, but I'm guessing that if Winslow picks the Poston brothers as agents then the Skins will go with Taylor and Rosenhaus. Signability, it must be Clark Kellogg rubbing off on me.

RTerps2002 · 04-02-2004, 10:38 AM

Sean Taylor is a difference maker on defense something we no longer have in our secondary.. We have Portis and Coles on offense so I say it has to be Taylor,

diehardskin2982 · 04-02-2004, 10:38 AM

i say trade our first round pick next year for a chance to get both of them.

beg8878 · 04-02-2004, 10:38 AM

I voted for Taylor as well, but like a lot of other people on this board, I really don;t care which one we get as long as we get one...both will have an immediate impact on one side of the ball. It is a nice feeling knowing we are in the drivers seat on this one...I would personally like to thank the Ol' Ball Coach for the poor coaching. Without him, we would not be in this position.

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 04-02-2004, 10:50 AM

Winslow is supposed to be a lock, but Troupe and Watson and some of the other guys look pretty good too. Nothing's for sure...

Plus, we've got some excellent slot guys in Trash, Jacobs, and McCants - which lessen the importance of Winslow (even though he'd be an upgrade).

If Chamberlain gets his act together - he could return to "stud" form. What ever happened to him anyway?? I know he got fat and out of shape, but I mean, how can you go from stud to dud w/o trying to make a comeback?? We haven't released him yet, so that's a sign that there's still some potential.

If we got Winslow, I'd be thrilled. But I think Taylor is the way to go. No wrong answer here!!

MTK · 04-02-2004, 12:17 PM

Still, the thought of a dynamic TE like Winslow in this offense is a pleasant thought.

Seriously, how many sleepless nights would opposing d-coordinators have with having to prepare for an offense that would feature Brunell, Coles, Gardner, Portis, Winslow and with Gibbs calling the shots!? Scary.

Defensewins · 04-02-2004, 12:21 PM

I would rather let the opposing d- coordinators sleep at night and win a Superbowl,
rather than having a team like Colts and KC, that constantly lose in the playoffs....because their defense (as is ours) is inadequate.
Mr. Snyder, the goal is to win superbowls, not to create a fantasy league team offense.

SKINSnCANES · 04-02-2004, 04:11 PM

One reason that Im not sure ive seen anyone mention about Winslow is he speed. Not his speed as a receiver, but the speed he offers as a blocker. If Johnson would have been Portis blocker he would have outran him. Now I know you are supposed to follow your blocker and wait for holes, but Portis is known for making the big play, and if you have a blocker that can run faster the big play will be bigger. Winslow is no where near as fast as portis, but he can block and run faster then a blocking fullback. Gibbs runs a lot of counters and end a rounds that this would prove useful.

SKINSnCANES · 04-02-2004, 04:12 PM

With that I said, and with everyone knowing that ive made a lot of posts on those two, I havent voted yet and am still undecided. Im waiting for them to draft them both so I dont have to say what if

SKINSnCANES · 04-02-2004, 04:15 PM

Well, I decided to vote for Taylor just becuase hes worth more to more teams. The Patriots can have their super bowls and Taylor to...

JWsleep · 04-02-2004, 07:29 PM

Gibbs' offense is built on the H-back. Winslow looks like the perfect H-back prospect. Give the man the tools he needs on O. Fix the D next year. Rome wasn't built in a day!

KW II

Ghost · 04-02-2004, 09:31 PM

I voted for Taylor because of our needs on D but I keep flip-flopping ... it would be nice to get them both but that's just a dream, ain't gonna happen. Kellen Winslow as H-back would make the offense dominant, Taylor would quarterback the D from day one and make up for the loss of Champ. I'm happy either way but it's Taylor by a nose hair because defense wins championships, yada yada, as others said before. But remember when the Rams won it all with no D to speak of? Hmmm. And you almost get the sense that Gregg Williams could take 11 Warpath posters and make a top flight D. Man I just don't know.

Defensewins · 04-04-2004, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost

....But remember when the Rams won it all with no D to speak of? Hmmm.

Hhhhmmmm I think you are mistaken.
According to: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram1999.htm
the Rams defense allowed the 4th lowest points scored on them in the NFL in the year they won the 1999-2000 super bowl. So they had the 4th best defense in the NFL that year in points allowed (which is the best measure of defense).

That era Rams are the perfect example to explain my rants about the importance of defense.
The 1999-2000 Rams had the #1 scoring offense and #4 least scored on defense in the NFL and won the Superbowl.
The 2000-2001 Rams again had the #1 scoring offense, but the #31 out of 31 teams, most scored on defense. Needless to say they did not win the superbowl in 2000-2001.
Which proves you can have the #1 scoring offense in the NFL, but you need a good Defense to win it all!

skins009 · 04-03-2004, 12:01 AM

Gibbs offense alread has everything it needs to be succesfull. Talented O-line where it all starts. A rising star as runningback. A rising star at qp (Ramsey not brunnel), and very talented recievers. The defense however is far from the super bowl calliber. It needs another playmaker, Tayler. A major help on the d-line. To me there's no question that our pick has to address the defense.

joecrisp · 04-03-2004, 09:40 AM

The more I read the Taylor-supporters' posts, the more I start flip-flopping. I voted for Winslow, but you guys make a pretty good argument for focusing on the defense in this draft. It's definitely true that the defense has been neglected in recent drafts, and they need a true playmaker in the secondary to complement Smoot.

I'd be ecstatic if the FO could figure out a way to get both Taylor and Winslow. I doubt it would happen. What about the possibility of getting both Taylor and Udeze? Talk about helping out the defense! Can you imagine a Gregg Williams defense featuring Udeze, Arrington, Washington, Smoot AND Taylor?! Now that would be freakin' scary!

View Poll Results: Who Should the Redskins Draft at #5
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Kellen Winslow	8	14.55%
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04-02-2004, 12:21 PM	#7
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,767	I would rather let the opposing d- coordinators sleep at night and win a Superbowl, rather than having a team like Colts and KC, that constantly lose in the playoffs....because their defense (as is ours) is inadequate. Mr. Snyder, the goal is to win superbowls, not to create a fantasy league team offense. Last edited by Defensewins; 04-02-2004 at 12:29 PM.

04-02-2004, 04:11 PM	#8
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,455	One reason that Im not sure ive seen anyone mention about Winslow is he speed. Not his speed as a receiver, but the speed he offers as a blocker. If Johnson would have been Portis blocker he would have outran him. Now I know you are supposed to follow your blocker and wait for holes, but Portis is known for making the big play, and if you have a blocker that can run faster the big play will be bigger. Winslow is no where near as fast as portis, but he can block and run faster then a blocking fullback. Gibbs runs a lot of counters and end a rounds that this would prove useful. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-02-2004, 04:12 PM	#9
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,455	With that I said, and with everyone knowing that ive made a lot of posts on those two, I havent voted yet and am still undecided. Im waiting for them to draft them both so I dont have to say what if __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-02-2004, 04:15 PM	#10
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,455	Well, I decided to vote for Taylor just becuase hes worth more to more teams. The Patriots can have their super bowls and Taylor to... __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-02-2004, 10:32 AM	#1
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 54 Posts: 960	I vote for Taylor. With TO and Keyshawn in the division, we are going to need to shore up our secondary and all reports I'm hearing about Taylor are that he's the real deal. I admit having Winslow on offense would be a scary sight, if they get any kind of improvement in their line play then a Portis-Coles-Winslow skill position package is immediately among the top in the league. And I'd love to see it, but I still say go with defense. With all the pressure that Williams is going to bring, we're going to need a better safety than Bowen back there. I like Bowen at times, but he's more prone to misfire than Jason Williams's shotgun. Either way, it seems like a can't miss thing, but I'm guessing that if Winslow picks the Poston brothers as agents then the Skins will go with Taylor and Rosenhaus. Signability, it must be Clark Kellogg rubbing off on me.

04-02-2004, 10:38 AM	#2
RTerps2002 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FT Lauderdale Florida Age: 54 Posts: 33	Sean Taylor is a difference maker on defense something we no longer have in our secondary.. We have Portis and Coles on offense so I say it has to be Taylor,

04-02-2004, 10:38 AM	#3
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	i say trade our first round pick next year for a chance to get both of them.

04-02-2004, 10:38 AM	#4
beg8878 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 47 Posts: 270	I voted for Taylor as well, but like a lot of other people on this board, I really don;t care which one we get as long as we get one...both will have an immediate impact on one side of the ball. It is a nice feeling knowing we are in the drivers seat on this one...I would personally like to thank the Ol' Ball Coach for the poor coaching. Without him, we would not be in this position.

04-02-2004, 10:50 AM	#5
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	Winslow is supposed to be a lock, but Troupe and Watson and some of the other guys look pretty good too. Nothing's for sure... Plus, we've got some excellent slot guys in Trash, Jacobs, and McCants - which lessen the importance of Winslow (even though he'd be an upgrade). If Chamberlain gets his act together - he could return to "stud" form. What ever happened to him anyway?? I know he got fat and out of shape, but I mean, how can you go from stud to dud w/o trying to make a comeback?? We haven't released him yet, so that's a sign that there's still some potential. If we got Winslow, I'd be thrilled. But I think Taylor is the way to go. No wrong answer here!!

04-02-2004, 12:17 PM	#6
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,038	Still, the thought of a dynamic TE like Winslow in this offense is a pleasant thought. Seriously, how many sleepless nights would opposing d-coordinators have with having to prepare for an offense that would feature Brunell, Coles, Gardner, Portis, Winslow and with Gibbs calling the shots!? Scary.

04-02-2004, 07:29 PM	#11
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Gibbs' offense is built on the H-back. Winslow looks like the perfect H-back prospect. Give the man the tools he needs on O. Fix the D next year. Rome wasn't built in a day! KW II __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-02-2004, 09:31 PM	#12
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	I voted for Taylor because of our needs on D but I keep flip-flopping ... it would be nice to get them both but that's just a dream, ain't gonna happen. Kellen Winslow as H-back would make the offense dominant, Taylor would quarterback the D from day one and make up for the loss of Champ. I'm happy either way but it's Taylor by a nose hair because defense wins championships, yada yada, as others said before. But remember when the Rams won it all with no D to speak of? Hmmm. And you almost get the sense that Gregg Williams could take 11 Warpath posters and make a top flight D. Man I just don't know.

04-03-2004, 12:01 AM	#14
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Gibbs offense alread has everything it needs to be succesfull. Talented O-line where it all starts. A rising star as runningback. A rising star at qp (Ramsey not brunnel), and very talented recievers. The defense however is far from the super bowl calliber. It needs another playmaker, Tayler. A major help on the d-line. To me there's no question that our pick has to address the defense.

04-03-2004, 09:40 AM	#15
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 50 Posts: 1,501	The more I read the Taylor-supporters' posts, the more I start flip-flopping. I voted for Winslow, but you guys make a pretty good argument for focusing on the defense in this draft. It's definitely true that the defense has been neglected in recent drafts, and they need a true playmaker in the secondary to complement Smoot. I'd be ecstatic if the FO could figure out a way to get both Taylor and Winslow. I doubt it would happen. What about the possibility of getting both Taylor and Udeze? Talk about helping out the defense! Can you imagine a Gregg Williams defense featuring Udeze, Arrington, Washington, Smoot AND Taylor?! Now that would be freakin' scary!

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