Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)

[Southpaw]

Like most of the people here, my major issue was with Zorn's game management and play calling, but I'm a bit surprised that no one has mentioned Jeremy Jarmon's boneheaded late hit on Bulger, which basically took points off the board. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a rookie mistake, but taking the ball away from the Rams inside their 20 yard line, and giving it back to them because of a stupid penalty was a momentum killer.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Like most of the people here, my major issue was with Zorn's game management and play calling, but I'm a bit surprised that no one has mentioned Jeremy Jarmon's boneheaded late hit on Bulger, which basically took points off the board. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a rookie mistake, but taking the ball away from the Rams inside their 20 yard line, and giving it back to them because of a stupid penalty was a momentum killer.

I'm not going to give him grief over that. He tried to pull back and barely touched Bulger. If he's not a rookie, the refs might overlook that

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Like most of the people here, my major issue was with Zorn's game management and play calling, but I'm a bit surprised that no one has mentioned Jeremy Jarmon's boneheaded late hit on Bulger, which basically took points off the board. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to a rookie mistake, but taking the ball away from the Rams inside their 20 yard line, and giving it back to them because of a stupid penalty was a momentum killer.

Also, Jeremy Jarmon wasn't even om the field on that play. Orakpo and Golston hit Bulger and I think what they called was hand to helmet contact by Golston, but in any case it was a technical roughing call, not actually extensive or unnecessary.

Teams that put pressure on the QB are going to draw roughing calls in today's game. I think the NFL realizes that they are creating unavoidable penalties, and just doesn't care all that much.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

Great article by Boswell in today's Wash Post. He does a great job at summing up why the team has trouble scoring in the red zone and why nobody should be upset at them.

I wouldn't call it great, nor even informative. He discounts the drops that would have led to two touchdowns, criticizes Campbell when Zorn tries a pass from Portis (which has worked in the past) and basically hacks away at a stale premise. But that's just my humble opinion.

[Rajmahal33]

That Portis pass to Cooley wreaks of a head coach who is :
a) DESPERATE to keep his job
b) Not confident in his QB and his team's ability to run a normal play
c) Has way too much confidence in his ability to outsmart the opposing team
d) all of the above.

Answer: d)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

That Portis pass to Cooley wreaks of a head coach who is :
a) DESPERATE to keep his job
b) Not confident in his QB and his team's ability to run a normal play
c) Has way too much confidence in his ability to outsmart the opposing team
d) all of the above.

Answer: d)

The one guy who as actually wide open on that play was Campbell. But I don't know that you want to ask Portis to turn and throw across the field across his body.

Still, I agree with your points above.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I wouldn't call it great, nor even informative. He discounts the drops that would have led to two touchdowns, criticizes Campbell when Zorn tries a pass from Portis (which has worked in the past) and basically hacks away at a stale premise. But that's just my humble opinion.

I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. He's shown zero imagination and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. He's shown zero imagination and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.

I think both JC played better and Zorn called a better game today but like you said he does need to work on his RZ play calling. Zorn seemed like he looked at last weeks game and made adjustments so maybe next week we will see better play calling in the RZ.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. He's shown zero imagination and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.

Or too much imagination. 3rd down option pass from Portis? How about a fade to Mitchell or Kelly from Campbell? Simple, yet effective

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or too much imagination. 3rd down option pass from Portis? How about a fade to Mitchell or Kelly from Campbell? Simple, yet effective

Its funny you mention the fade. Kelli Johnson asked JC about running the fade during CSN's post game show yesterday and JC's response was "we are working on it". I almost fell out of my chair.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or too much imagination. 3rd down option pass from Portis? How about a fade to Mitchell or Kelly from Campbell? Simple, yet effective

Yeah wrong kind of imagination there. That was high school crap.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm tired of everything getting tossed back on Jason even when he plays a solid game. JC was a pretty good RZ QB early on in his career, plus he adds the threat of being able to run. How about a naked bootleg, or spread them out 4 wide and let JC operate out of the gun where he seems so comfortable?

I'm sorry but the RZ issues are all on Zorn at this point. He's shown zero imagination and he's not utilizing his best RZ weapons. He keeps putting the handcuffs on the offense in the RZ when he just needs to let it rip. He's going to lose whatever confidence the team has in him really quick if this keeps up.

You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.

I can understand going with the line of thinking that its the players, and it very well could be. But, I think if it is the players, it's because they have the mentality already instilled in them that they are a low scoring team that will win close games each and every year. That was one downfall with Gibbs 2.0...he basically said that about his team (although he was absolutely right and calling a spade a spade.)

And I know I'm talking about another era in football, but the Redskins had small receivers when they won their first Super Bowl in '82. Riggins was the man go to back, and Donnie Warren wasn't exactly Chris Cooley. But, I do understand what you're saying in regards to the West Coast offense and wide receivers. With so many crossing patterns, you do need a big target receivers who will go cross in the middle. Has to be tougher when the receivers are shorter.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by irish

JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems.

Your the 2nd person to make this idiotic comment! WTF guys, he hits D.Thomas and Sellers right in the hands, and your blaming JC because he throws too hard? If you cant catch....you shouldnt have a job in the NFL. I understand dogging him when he under/over throws someone, but now we have issues with how hard he throws? Please.....thats a joke!!! BTW, Favre has made a pretty good name for himself throwing the ball ALOT harder. JC throws a beautiful ball, its always a nice tight spiral. Quit making excuses for NFL'ers who clearly cannot catch!!!!

And if your quoting the paper I apologize, but SBXVII always says this stupid crap.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

You should read Boswell's article in today's Wash Post. He basically says the O wasnt good at scoring under Gibbs and now with essentially the same guys they arent good at scoring under Zorn. Its the players, not the coaching. Think about it, the Moss & ARE are midgets so they get lost in the RZ. They only have 1 RB that's a threat so he's easily keyed on and stopped. JC throws a hard ball at close range which creates problems. Cooley as the only receiving threat is then double teamed and neutralized. The O can move up the field fine but just doesnt have the horses to be successful in the RZ.

I did and I still have the same opinion.

We now have Kelly, Thomas, and Davis, bigger guys that should be quality RZ targets. Get them all in there along with Cooley. I don't buy this crap that we don't have targets.