Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)

[doughtydoubter]

yeah..i agree! Poor jc.

[CRedskinsRule]

Last year we struggled mightily from the 50 to the 20. It seems like that is better this year. Lets hope that we don't take a year to fix the red zone issue.

Sellers has gotta be in Zorn's doghouse, 2 times he has gone to him in the redzone, 2 times he dropped it. He is better than that, and Sellers knows it.

[doughtydoubter]

The thing that baffles me about play calling is that it seems like coaches (possibly out of arrogance?) Dont adapt their playcalling to suit their players, they pursue plays that they "hope" develop into keys to some preset system they have envisioned in their head.
You have a great wide receiver in santana who drew single coverage throughout the day.
Three tall receivers who rarely see a fade.
A ball hawk in hall, and a monster rusher in orakpo.
i just dont get it, and it baffles me...

[GTripp0012]

I've seen Zorn call excellent ball games before, and well, these last two games have been among his 3 or 4 worst called games as the head coach of the Redskins.

The clock management (which is an overrated facet of football) seems to be either a you have it or you don't kind of thing, and Zorn (plus about 20 other coaches) just doesn't have that ability.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I've seen Zorn call excellent ball games before, and well, these last two games have been among his 3 or 4 worst called games as the head coach of the Redskins.

The clock management (which is an overrated facet of football) seems to be either a you have it or you don't kind of thing, and Zorn (plus about 20 other coaches) just doesn't have that ability.

Really? Two games? My memory is failing me. Can you tell me which two games those were?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Really? Two games? My memory is failing me. Can you tell me which two games those were?

The four game stretch from Week two to Week five of last year was well called. The Seattle game last year was well called as well.

But, none of that explains why he's so clueless at this point.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Another thing...

People have mentioned:

a) the REALLY dumb choice to go for the FG up 2 with 2 minutes left

b) the dumb choice to NEVER even TRY Kelly or Mitchell in the endzone

c) our Special Teams coach having to YELL at him when to take a timeout (and I am not sure if he even got it afterward... man he looked lost/overwhelmed like a server at a restaurant in "the weeds")

but one thing that really blew my mind...

Rams had ZERO time outs, and on our 2nd down, we run that stretch left with Betts.. bad call... but it was a HORRIBLE call when you consider that he ran it to the SHORT SIDE of the field, giving him nowhere to run & Betts runs out stopping the friggin clock at 2:12!

We should have been running our 3rd down play with under 2:00 on the clock... if we didn't get in, the clock should have been run down to 1:15 or so for our 4th down FG to ice it... but no...

I guess it's better to be lucky than good sometimes...

oh, and someone mentioned th Pats scoring 9 today... but that was against the Jets AT the Meadowlands in a division rivalry game the Jets were PUMPED for... we were playing the 2-14 Rams at HOME after the Seahawks WHOOPED them 28-0 last week... man this team is worrying the hell out of me.

and one last thing ... I DO have to call out Campbell for the first pass of the game... should have been one play, 7 points and ALL of the momentum for the day... but no... under-thrown, crappy pass, no big play... as usual.

But sure, Campbell was good at the 5-10 yard, safe, dink-and-dunk passes that should be high percentage... Randle El saved his a** on the overthrown pass down the seam as well..

[Paintrain]

I didn't see any of the game today since I was traveling and have only seen some highlights but it's disappointing to see that we squeaked one out vs. the awful Rams and some of the same play calling questions remain. When SS and Matty, two of the more level headed posters when it comes to panic and change are advocating making a move, that gets my attention.

I don't think Zorn has it. I'll say it and stand behind it, he's over his head. Some people have it, some don't. I honestly believe that if Shanahan came in during the season, he'd be able to pick up where things are, put JC in the no huddle/shotgun as the base offense and we'd see a difference immediately.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I didn't see any of the game today since I was traveling and have only seen some highlights but it's disappointing to see that we squeaked one out vs. the awful Rams and some of the same play calling questions remain. When SS and Matty, two of the more level headed posters when it comes to panic and change are advocating making a move, that gets my attention.

I don't think Zorn has it. I'll say it and stand behind it, he's over his head. Some people have it, some don't. I honestly believe that if Shanahan came in during the season, he'd be able to pick up where things are, put JC in the no huddle/shotgun as the base offense and we'd see a difference immediately.

I will say this if you did not see the game than refrain from making any judgements about Jim Zorn and him not having it. He didnt fumble in the red zone ( Moss) He didn't drop a TD pass ( Sellers) He did not get a roughing the pass call ( Orakpo or Jarmon) when we just recovered a Rams fumble in Rams territory. It requires a total team effort to win games in the NFL. Zorn needs to be more agressive in the Red Zone and let Jason make a decision with the ball. He has to trust his QB with the Rock.

[Hog1]

Come on:
Chi over Pitts
Buff trouncing TB
Cin over GB
SF Spanks Sea
etc......
We look bad in the light of teams we are likely MORE talented than?
JZ and company need to have a "Come to Jesus" meeting and get this stuff sorted out during our 5(now 4) game respite

[Eknox]

very disappointing

[cc47]

As much as I hate to admit it, we just are not a very good football team, from top to bottom.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by cc47

As much as I hate to admit it, we just are not a very good football team, from top to bottom.

You know I keep thinking about this "we're not a good football team" thing.

I don't know how people define that, but we rarely get outplayed. Most of what I've observed over the past 10 games is that we've beat ourselves or we were just not prepared.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You know I keep thinking about this "we're not a good football team" thing.

I don't know how people define that, but we rarely get outplayed. Most of what I've observed over the past 10 games is that we've beat ourselves or we were just not prepared.

We played on the road last week and had zero procedure penalities on offense. This week, we had at least two or three. So there's no theoretical reason that the team should be more antsy against the Rams than the Giants, so that leads me to think that Thomas' injury might have had some degree of a ripple effect on the offensive line.

If it's not just executing, but thinking and then trying to execute, that's when you get procedure penalties. Not home vs. road.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You know I keep thinking about this "we're not a good football team" thing.

I don't know how people define that, but we rarely get outplayed. Most of what I've observed over the past 10 games is that we've beat ourselves or we were just not prepared.

I think I concur. I think we have FAR better talent than our play indicates. While we have definate weak spots, there are FAR less talented teams playing FAR better ball. The guys and staff are going to have to make it.......gel!
We'll see against the Mighty Lions?