Campbell's numbers dont lie

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Good point. We got JC for the rest of the year. If we want to talk about the future that's fine. If you know any free agent QBs or College Qbs that will be better then let's talk about that. But even then people are assuming that JC will be gone this season. He hasn't played that bad. Its only the third game. He can only get better. I think the running game is a QB's best friend once we get that going I guarantee all you haters that our offense wil thrive. Write it down. When we get our running game together, which we will, our whole offense will thrive. Its not JC fault that we are one dimensional. He does not control the o-line or rbs performances (or WRs for that matter). Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown. He misses open receivers. Its easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that. Things happen much quicker on the feel and no QB makes the right decisions 100% of the time. We have JC for the rest of the year. So please button your pie holes about ifs and buts. Support him or shut up. Because he is our QB. My belief is that he is going to be having a lot of people eating crow by the end of the season. We just need to get this running game going.

Support your QB. He is not Delhomme and even the Panthers still have faith in him. Fickle ass fans. I tell ya!!

Hey DMV, I bet if the Redskins make the palyoffs we would still have some Hatter ass fans complaining that JC needs to go.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Good point. We got JC for the rest of the year. If we want to talk about the future that's fine. If you know any free agent QBs or College Qbs that will be better then let's talk about that. But even then people are assuming that JC will be gone this season. He hasn't played that bad. Its only the third game. He can only get better. I think the running game is a QB's best friend once we get that going I guarantee all you haters that our offense wil thrive. Write it down. When we get our running game together, which we will, our whole offense will thrive. Its not JC fault that we are one dimensional. He does not control the o-line or rbs performances (or WRs for that matter). Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown. He misses open receivers. Its easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that. Things happen much quicker on the feel and no QB makes the right decisions 100% of the time. We have JC for the rest of the year. So please button your pie holes about ifs and buts. Support him or shut up. Because he is our QB. My belief is that he is going to be having a lot of people eating crow by the end of the season. We just need to get this running game going.

Support your QB. He is not Delhomme and even the Panthers still have faith in him. Fickle ass fans. I tell ya!!

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

please don't call dmv names, he is a very sensitive and understanding guy, and certainly doesn't deserve to be called a dumbass.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

Let me tackle this in a classy way. Who am I? A true redskins fan. Not someone who comes on the board and spews hate. I am one who supports his team. I am one who is a die hard fan and will always be. If your comments would make any sense or have any intelligence in them that would be fine. But you make general statements and usually contradict yourself. Just your reply makes you seem very ignorant and childish. I am all about defending yourself. But sir you weren't attacked. I am the king of insults. So you really dont want to go there. Trust me.

My point is. All we have is JC! We aren't going to have another QB until after the season if that happens. I could see if JC was stinking it up like Jake Delhome or like Demarcus Russell. You need to give your QB time to improve. If he had a running game and a defense and wasn't producing then fine. Place all the blame on him. But if you want to act like a 3 yr old throwing a tanturm that is fine. But your only going to drive yourself crazy for no reason. Have some level headedness about you. Your little outburst shows that you are more about emotions than analysis. You just want to hate. Steam probably is coming out of your ears in abundance.

JC isn't as bad as you make him out to be. Have some faith. Be a fan and not a antagonist pessimistic imbecile. As far as my comment on supporting him or shut up. What are we going to do? Make a trade? Are we going to get another QB soon? I think the chances of that are 0 to none. Some people are so blinded by hate they can't actually see that JC is improving. If you think everyone is going to be a Joe Montana, Dan Marino or Peyton Manning out the gate. Then your less intelligent than I thought.

As far as saying we are all sitting on the sidelines making comments. This is true. But some us try to speak from analysis and not just emotion. We are not the QB. We dont have defensive players blitzing us and knocking the ish out of us on plays. We don't understand the speed and other intangibles. So for someone to complain about JC not going a receiver on a specific play seems very petty. Yes we want him to be a hall of fame QB and make the correct decicion 100% of time. but that comes with game experieince. We as fans do not have any patience. Some peoplewere asking to get rid of him last year after only a few starts. They dont know what Zorn told JC. They dont know what the circumstances were. Some of the comments actually seems assinine at times. We can all criticize him. But lets get to the real problem and not just hate to be hating!! JC can't catch the ball. Block for himself. Or play running back. As a team we are not producing. So to place all the blame on JC is idiotic at best.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

If I had said this the mods would have been all over my ass. Where are they now?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

as fas as the kiss my ass comment. no thanks. Its kinda hard to anyway when you have your head so far up there. whining and bitching like a lil girl..how gay would that be? I think our offensive problems started way before campbell was starting. we were so dynamic on offense when Brunell was here weren't we. Im more like a smart ass. your the dumbass sir.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that? Umm, hello? Dumbass says what? THAT IS ALL WE DO AROUND HERE! And who the hell are you to tell people to support Campbell or shut up. Kiss my ass. Are we all supposed to sit around here and blow smoke up his ass? How gay would that be? He's the QB for a team that hasn't scored 30 points in 19 games, and he's the only guy on Offense that touches the ball on every play. Hell, 20 points would be an Offensive break-out at this point. He may not be THE problem, but he ain't the solution either.

Is there really any need for all that? I'm no mod, but I'm sure you could've made your point and left out the name-calling.

[mike340]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

... Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I stated that I have almost never seen him hit Moss in stride. In fact, I have almost never seen him hit a receiver running downfield in stride. Then I pointed out that the only time Moss did get it in stride he was able to take it for a TD. (I admit, Moss wasn't running downfield.) It just begs the question what would happen to TD production by the wide receivers if they were hit in stride (by JC, my late grandmother, or someone else.)

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

You mean like the Great Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman lead their teams ( Ravens/Bears) to the SuperBowl.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

You mean like the Great Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman lead their teams ( Ravens/Bears) to the SuperBowl.

For every Trent Dilfer Scenario (No offense, great D), there is a Kurt Warner (No Defense, great O), especially in this day and age. For Christ's sake, Elway almost did it multiple times with the Orange Broncos.

My philosophy is that neither the defense nor the offense can win you a championship outright. They need the support of each other. We have an above average defense and an under average offense. The least we can do if we aren't scoring points is to dominate time of possession. In our two losses we haven't in our one win we have.

The least JC and the offense could do is get a few first downs CONSISTENTLY through the game. What loses games are 3 and outs and such. It destroys the offenses confidence while at the same time sucking the energy out of the defense towards the ends of games. That is why JC is as integral to the D's performance in close games as he is to the O's. Next time he is moving the ball well in against a prevent D when we are behind, just remember that if our D gives up a score or can't stop their O on the next possession, it's not all their fault. At some point in that game JC and the O probably let us down by not holding on the ball for a while.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

The least JC and the offense could do is get a few first downs CONSISTENTLY through the game. What loses games are 3 and outs and such. It destroys the offenses confidence while at the same time sucking the energy out of the defense towards the ends of games. That is why JC is as integral to the D's performance in close games as he is to the O's. Next time he is moving the ball well in against a prevent D when we are behind, just remember that if our D gives up a score or can't stop their O on the next possession, it's not all their fault. At some point in that game JC and the O probably let us down by not holding on the ball for a while.

It's funny that you bring that up because THAT is undoubtedly on the whole offense. There were 2 consecutive possessions last week that were 3 & outs because, on 3rd down Moss and then Cooley ran their routes a yard short of the sticks. That's unacceptable! A QB can't be expected to know if a guy is running his route at 9 or 10 yards (I believe one was like 12 or 13 and the other was around 8 (not sure)). Each Moss and Cooley were about a yard short because they didn't get deep enough on their routes. All Jason can do is deliver the football those 2 possessions ended because the receivers made mistakes.

Those two drives would have at least allowed the D more rest, as you said or, as unlikely as it sounds with this offense, they could have turned into points.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

For every Trent Dilfer Scenario (No offense, great D), there is a Kurt Warner (No Defense, great O), especially in this day and age. For Christ's sake, Elway almost did it multiple times with the Orange Broncos..

Give me another example besides Kurt Warner? Elways didn't have a defense? Not to mention T Davis was tearing up the league. But don't get me wrong. Elway is one of the greatest of all times. But are you really saying that they had no defense?

Kurt warner is the exception to the rule. But seriously name a team that won a Superbowl, besides the Rams, without having a defense.

Im waiting...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

For every Trent Dilfer Scenario (No offense, great D), there is a Kurt Warner (No Defense, great O), especially in this day and age. For Christ's sake, Elway almost did it multiple times with the Orange Broncos.

My philosophy is that neither the defense nor the offense can win you a championship outright. They need the support of each other. We have an above average defense and an under average offense. The least we can do if we aren't scoring points is to dominate time of possession. In our two losses we haven't in our one win we have.

The least JC and the offense could do is get a few first downs CONSISTENTLY through the game. What loses games are 3 and outs and such. It destroys the offenses confidence while at the same time sucking the energy out of the defense towards the ends of games. That is why JC is as integral to the D's performance in close games as he is to the O's. Next time he is moving the ball well in against a prevent D when we are behind, just remember that if our D gives up a score or can't stop their O on the next possession, it's not all their fault. At some point in that game JC and the O probably let us down by not holding on the ball for a while.

Warner though, was the quarterback of a 9-7 team, and his defense performed (on the average) better than the Redskins defense (on the small sample average) has this year. Could we be a 9-7 team behind Campbell, good special teams, and nothing else? Absolutely. Is that a ticket to the super bowl? No more than the Cardinals were last year when they were being blown out by the Patriots. In the NFC East, that gets you to the playoffs only about half the time.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Warner though, was the quarterback of a 9-7 team, and his defense performed (on the average) better than the Redskins defense (on the small sample average) has this year. Could we be a 9-7 team behind Campbell, good special teams, and nothing else? Absolutely. Is that a ticket to the super bowl? No more than the Cardinals were last year when they were being blown out by the Patriots. In the NFC East, that gets you to the playoffs only about half the time.

I totally agree. If we can get our running game going and our D to get better on 3rd down. We will be much improved. But time will only tell.

Yeah and the thing about the Arizona is they stepped up on defense during the playoff stretch and Fitz was on FIRE!!

[SirClintonPortis]

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