Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Chico23231]

It seems to me when we all watch the game we see the same thing, JC struggling, the Oline struggling, the receivers struggling, etc. But after we all regroup and begin to give opinions about everything, there are a portion of people who seem to point back and say well if you look at the stats and sum of all games, everything is ok, JC is a good quarterback, etc. That is fine and your opinion. Yes it is not all JC fault, but he is mos def a major part of it since he has the ball in his hand most of the time. He has the physical tools, but what I cant understand is how people cannot see that he cannot mentally make the decisions to lead this team to a win. He doesnt make 1 person better on that field. He cannot lead period. He is over thinking and hesitant. He goes through progression too fast when he HAS time in the pocket. He misses guys who come open. His overthinking throws off the rhythming of his throws and screws up his foot work, so it is leading to physical mistakes. Ive like and supported JC in the past, and wanted him to succeed, but even when the season started Ive been disappointed from the first game. Second season in the system and my expectations were higher. After 4 years it is pretty clear to me to see what we have, so it is time to move on from defending him and plus, look the FO doesnt want him here its pretty obvious he wont be here next year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It seems to me when we all watch the game we see the same thing, JC struggling, the Oline struggling, the receivers struggling, etc.

It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by 30gut

It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur

I asked myself that same question. I hear Rodgers name a lot and how he has a horrible o-line but truth is his receivers are probably the best WR tandem in the NFL up there with the Cards. How many one-handed spectular catches do they have this year alone? Plus, his pass protection sucks not his pass and run blocking protection we can't run or pass Grant averages 1,000 per season last time I checked. Face it we don't have anything going for us at all no OL play, WR play, RB play or QB play but they all go hand and hand.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I asked myself that same question. I hear Rodgers name a lot and how he has a horrible o-line but truth is his receivers are probably the best WR tandem in the NFL up there with the Cards. How many one-handed spectular catches do they have this year alone? Plus, his pass protection sucks not his pass and run blocking protection we can't run or pass Grant averages 1,000 per season last time I checked. Face it we don't have anything going for us at all no OL play, WR play, RB play or QB play but they all go hand and hand.

Aaron Rodgers OL 'sucking' is a bit overblown.
Even during the game against the Vikes i recall Jaws saying how he caused some of those sacks, although i didn't agree with him.
I didn't want to go into the details but Aaron Rodgers has only had 2 changes to his starting OL.
And part of the reason we don't have more sacks is because the playcalling is centered around not getting JC killed.

LT-Lang a rookie 4th round draft pick
comes in for opening day starter C.Clifton
C-Wells who veteran Center who started 13 games for the Pack last year
takes the place of opening day starter Spitz

HTTR!

*(I have a long post on Ben's supposed 'sorry' OL but it would make for a long post.)

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Aaron Rodgers OL 'sucking' is a bit overblown.
Even during the game against the Vikes i recall Jaws saying how he caused some of those sacks, although i didn't agree with him.

Anyone watching the Vikes-Pack game?

Because Aikman has twice reaffirmed what Jaws was saying about Aaron Rodgers causing some of the sacks in the 1st Vikings game.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

It all starts with the OL.
If the OL is struggling and the receivers are stuggling how can you garner an accurate judgement about the QB?
Outside of the stats?

If the OL struggles and the receivers struggle a judgment on the QB is a non sequitur

Like I stated in the rant, EVEN when he has time he still makes the same mistakes. Outside of the stats, I watch the game and my eyes dont deceive me, he is sloppy with the ball and his decisions. I dont see progression...Big Ben, A.Rodgers have bad Olines, they still make plays when they do get protection. Also something have is the ability to lead...please JC cant lead or manage sh*t. Big Ben two superbowl rings, A Rodgers replaces a freakin legend, gains the support of team and fans, and puts an average team in a position to win a game every weekend. JC is not a rookie anymore, he has been here awhile.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Like I stated in the rant, EVEN when he has time he still makes the same mistakes. Outside of the stats, I watch the game and my eyes dont deceive me, he is sloppy with the ball and his decisions. I dont see progression...Big Ben, A.Rodgers have bad Olines, they still make plays when they do get protection. Also something have is the ability to lead...please JC cant lead or manage sh*t. Big Ben two superbowl rings, A Rodgers replaces a freakin legend, gains the support of team and fans, and puts an average team in a position to win a game every weekend. JC is not a rookie anymore, he has been here awhile.

Chico ever QB makes those same mistakes when they don't have time.
JC has made plays when he has time you exaggerting to try and make a point.
Ben Rothlisberger's OL is not anywhere near as bad as our OL.
Ben would be the 1st to tell you that he creates many of sacks trying to make a play downfield.
Ben's sacks don't come on 3 step drops, Ben's sacks come after he's already held the ball for 3 seconds and starts to scramble around trying to make a play.
(Nothing against Ben because he made big plays down the strecth his stats weren't much better then JC last year, and many of the games their defense won not Ben)
*BTW-Ben's 1st superbowl was won despite his horrible performance in the SB not because Ben played well.

Aaron Rodgers was groomed by a great coaching staff and has great playcalling, he got to watch behind Brett Favre and inherited a team loaded with talent both on the OL and at the skill positions.
True his OL is a little banged up this year but those guys are young draft picks that were waiting to play and their OL play has improved.

JC does make plays when he has protection, but he's had so little protection this year that its caused him not to trust his OL and he's started the last 2 games with happy feet.

The playcalling issues haven't exactly helped him out either.

And even if Ben and Rodgers do have OL as bad as ours, which they don't, does it makes sense to plan around for exception rather then the rule?

You can downplay the OL all you want but its impossible to make a proper assessment under these circumstances.
And when you consider the circumstances JC is doing as best he can.

Look at these issues:
1) Coaching/playcalling
2) support from the FO
3) OL
4) Receivers as a group
5)Running game

You tell me what QB other then JC is dealing has all of the same problems as JC and is still performing at a decent level?

[SBXVII]

Every time I see this thread..."Campbell's numbers don't lie."
I want to add.....Yeah but they don't tell the truth either.

[Chico23231]

Only stat worth mentioning, JC has led this team to a 2-5 start against the softest schedule so far in the NFL.

[SBXVII]

Although O-line is a glaring need. How much time do other QB's get in order to get the ball off? I'll agree with you guys that the O-line needs to be upgraded and needs to learn how to block as a team, otherwise the run game will be stifled.

I did see some jail breaks in the Eagles game, but other then that JC gets around 3-7 seconds to get rid of the ball on his pass plays. I think most QB's get 3-7 seconds to get the ball off. I keep hearing about how JC does not get enough time and wonder if this statement is BS. I think the team needs to design plays that develope quicker and JC needs to be more accurate in his throws, as well as hitting the receiver in stride and not behind them. Also stop being scared to throw the ball when a defender is close.

[A10sROCK]

The most important statistic of a QB is the Win/loss ratio. JC is just not a winner, even when he has impeccable protection. We do have a bad OL, but JC doesn't have the leadership skills and gets rattled easy.

JC is just not a NFL caliber QB. I can't hit the long passes. Many of his best passes were YAC made by the WR/TE/RB. He often misses wide open WR by not seeing them, throwing over, under, behind, etc. He has a poor feel for the rush - either stepping into the rush, rushing his pass when he has time or holding the ball too long. All these "feel" mistakes can be blamed on the poor OL, but other QB in the NFL make money out of it. JC can not.

Much of the stats that are sighted are the "junk yards" (like the last game) where the teams are giving him yardage at the end of the game we are going to lose.

I predict that JC will never start again in the NFL. He's quickly playing himself out of the NFL, except as a perennial #2 or #3 QB.

[SkinFanatic]

JC has the skills, but not the temperament. His stats make him look better than he is because he doesn't (or isnt allowed to) take chances. But mainly, he isn't strong-willed enough. I'll bet he has no presence in the huddle. I've never seen any emotion out of the guy on the field or otherwise. And have you seen his press-conferences.....so mild mannered and doesn't even look the camera in the eye.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SkinFanatic

JC has the skills, but not the temperament. His stats make him look better than he is

I'd say JC has the skills.
His stats make him look good because he has suspect OL, no running, average receiving corps, and up until now inconsistent to lousy playcalling and is still the 18th rated QB in the NFL.

All the Skins have to do is win a couple games and i'm sure a bunch of you guys will change your tune.

HTTR!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

The most important statistic of a QB is the Win/loss ratio. JC is just not a winner, even when he has impeccable protection. We do have a bad OL, but JC doesn't have the leadership skills and gets rattled easy.

Football is a team sport.
You cannot judge a QB by their win/loss record alone.
Look at the W/L records of Rodgers in Green Bay or Drew Brees w/ the Saints(prior to this year).

Even when he has impeccable protection?
When has he even had good protection? Save for a handful of times last game?

JC is just not a NFL caliber QB. I can't hit the long passes. Many of his best passes were YAC made by the WR/TE/RB. He often misses wide open WR by not seeing them, throwing over, under, behind, etc. He has a poor feel for the rush - either stepping into the rush, rushing his pass when he has time or holding the ball too long. All these "feel" mistakes can be blamed on the poor OL, but other QB in the NFL make money out of it. JC can not.

The question you need to ask yourself is does JC makes these mistakes more then other QBs?
And if JC was making all these mistakes more often the other QBs playing behind a worse OL, without a running game, with a average at best receiving corps, and inconsistent to below average playcalling and coaching then how is it that he's the 18th rated QB in the league?

Much of the stats that are sighted are the "junk yards" (like the last game) where the teams are giving him yardage at the end of the game we are going to lose.

Junk yardage?
The TD to Devin Thomas was junk yardage?
On the drive that lead to Fred Davis TD the Eagles weren't playing prevent they were still blitzing.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Football is a team sport.
You cannot judge a QB by their win/loss record alone.
Look at the W/L records of Rodgers in Green Bay or Drew Brees w/ the Saints(prior to this year).

Even when he has impeccable protection?
When has he even had good protection? Save for a handful of times last game?



The question you need to ask yourself is does JC makes these mistakes more then other QBs?
And if JC was making all these mistakes more often the other QBs playing behind a worse OL, without a running game, with a average at best receiving corps, and inconsistent to below average play calling and coaching then how is it that he's the 18th rated QB in the league?





Junk yardage?
The TD to Devin Thomas was junk yardage?
On the drive that lead to Fred Davis TD the Eagles weren't playing prevent they were still blitzing.

Defend JC all you want. What NFL teams go 40-50 games with a QB who can't win? I'll make a bet right now that after this season he will NOT be an NFL starter. JC simply is not an NFL quality QB. Most of it is mental. There's no way you're going to tell me that JC has never had pass protection in his last 4 seasons. He not a leader and he only can perform when he has confidence [which he's lost].

It is a team sport and JC is not the teams biggest problem. But without a good QB we can never get this offense going.

I'll check in next season and we'll see that the rest of the NFL realizes that Campbell doesn't have the goods.