Lighten Up On Snyder

[Lotus]

Everyone here has been talking about Danny's actions as owners. It is easy, from this, to come up with pro-Snyder and anti-Snyder arguments.

But what everyone is missing is attitude rather than actions. By "attitude" I do not mean to question whether or not Danny wants the Redskins to win, as he clearly does.

Rather, what I mean when it comes to attitude is, "in what manner does he express his desire to win?" That is, it seems to me that Snyder must go about expressing his desire to win in mistaken ways, because the biggest problem with the Redskins for years has been team culture. Players and coaches have come and gone since DS took over, but what has not changed is team fire to win or team professionalism. Since DS took over the team repeatedly has not shown up for games, apart from a few exceptional instances. The team culture seems to be one where players expect to get accountability passes when they don't show up for games. Such a culture begins at the top.

So I personally don't criticize Snyder for personnel moves, since he seems to be less involved than he used to be. I don't criticize him for free spending on players or gouging fans for money. I don't criticize him for lack of desire to win. I criticize him for creating a team culture in which underachievement is the rule.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Everyone here has been talking about Danny's actions as owners. It is easy, from this, to come up with pro-Snyder and anti-Snyder arguments.

But what everyone is missing is attitude rather than actions. By "attitude" I do not mean to question whether or not Danny wants the Redskins to win, as he clearly does.

Rather, what I mean when it comes to attitude is, "in what manner does he express his desire to win?" That is, it seems to me that Snyder must go about expressing his desire to win in mistaken ways, because the biggest problem with the Redskins for years has been team culture. Players and coaches have come and gone since DS took over, but what has not changed is team fire to win or team professionalism. Since DS took over the team repeatedly has not shown up for games, apart from a few exceptional instances. The team culture seems to be one where players expect to get accountability passes when they don't show up for games. Such a culture begins at the top.

So I personally don't criticize Snyder for personnel moves, since he seems to be less involved than he used to be. I don't criticize him for free spending on players or gouging fans for money. I don't criticize him for lack of desire to win. I criticize him for creating a team culture in which underachievement is the rule.

Your last sentence sounds erily simular to what Tony Dungy said on NBC Sunday night. I agree it is a culture thing.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Your last sentence sounds erily simular to what Tony Dungy said on NBC Sunday night. I agree it is a culture thing.

No! That means that Dungy likely won't come here.

[GusFrerotte]

Snyder isn't a bad owner, but he is too much like Jones. Thing is Jones owns "America's team" so he doesn't get as much heat as Snyder. Those 3 Lombardis don't hurt either!!! Snyder needs to find a young guy like Shwartz. An accomplished assistant with a plan, a system, along with letting him and his scouts acquire the talent to fit the system. Our roster is filled with accomplished skilled players that were drafted for Gibbs 2.0. Zorn probably will never see the day when his roster has guys compatible with the WCO!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Snyder isn't a bad owner, but he is too much like Jones. Thing is Jones owns "America's team" so he doesn't get as much heat as Snyder. Those 3 Lombardis don't hurt either!!! Snyder needs to find a young guy like Shwartz. An accomplished assistant with a plan, a system, along with letting him and his scouts acquire the talent to fit the system. Our roster is filled with accomplished skilled players that were drafted for Gibbs 2.0. Zorn probably will never see the day when his roster has guys compatible with the WCO!!

Snyder could have just hired Schwartz. Reportedly, he was going to, then delayed, and then Schwartz pulled his name.

[GusFrerotte]

Also I just reviewed all the active threads in the Locker Room. Not one is titled Snyder sucks or bench JC. I guess this is a pre emptive thread to counter such threads, but none have been posted recently. Only a couple guys on other threads have said JC sucked or should be benched, and Snyder does deserve some heat. Why do you think they give the Lombardi to the owner after the SB? Guy has to account for something with regards to the FO and the handling of team operations, it is his team.

[saden1]

Snyder sucks...Send me money to buy the Redskins and you'll have a season ticket for life.

Send money to:

P.O. Box 2419
Mumfuga Drive
Lagos, Nigeria.

Thank you.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by saden1

Snyder sucks...Send me money to buy the Redskins and you'll have a season ticket for life.

Send money to:

P.O. Box 2419
Mumfuga Drive
Lagos, Nigeria.

Thank you.

I sent my money there over a month ago... Still waiting on my tickets..

[SmootSmack]

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I just spewed in my mouth...eeeww...I had spaghetti too...nasty.

That sounds great but what are we trying to keep together? The Joe Gibbs Head Coached w/ Co-Head Coach Gregg Williams team from 2007?...We're a long ways away from 2007 and what was left of Joe Gibbs team is certainly long gone now. Enough with the patch work elements to an outdated Joe Gibbs team from 2007.

Let's place a competitive NFL football team on the field. I don't mind losing games as long as we had a competitive chance to win them. Giants can crush us every year like they have been but if it's down to the wire every game and we're competitive I know we have something we can work towards.

There's nothing to work towards under that structure. Just the same old patch job setting fans up for the hype of the offseason and the dissapointment during post-season.

I don't follow

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't follow

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Vinny Cerrato & Joe Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

How many assistant coaches are here from the Gibbs and Gregg Williams era? Probably half is the answer.

Snyder even said himself that he wanted to keep the Gibbs coaching staff largely in place because the team "was close". Well...we are obviously not close and now we should be cleaning the remenants of Gibbs 2.0 and setting up new GM in place for HIS hire of a new coach and staff.

Well I wasn't talking about the coaches, I was talking about the scouts

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We'll probably end up with Shanahan or Cowher in full control. And that will make everyone thrilled because it's not Cerrato. But it ignores the fact that Shanahan has been a terrible general manager and Cowher has never even been one.

Cerrato has done a lot in revamping the front office and scouting department the past two off-seasons and has done a decent job in the draft with the picks he has had to work with. The onus is on him entirely for the Taylor trade but it wasn't VC that pushed for the Redskins to send multiple picks for Duckett and Lloyd.

The smartest thing for the Redskins to do in my opinion (short of bringing Marty back!!! ) is to promote the well-regarded and respected Morocco Brown to General Manager and keep the scouting staff largely in tact.

I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I agree that VC has improved or at least given the illusion of doing so. BUT, if we promote the legendary Morocco, we still have JZ, and I am not sure he can get "it" if ever? To be fair, how many asst's need to go?

Well yeah I would send Zorn on his way, or at the least force him to hire a proven play caller.

Brown isn't tied to Zorn