Where are Kelly & Thomas?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm not even going to say ruined. Most were probably camp bodies, but the Skins have had a glaring WR problem and all we can bring in is camp bodies? I have to imagine Hixon had some say in to who the team was going to bring in. One would think they would have gone to him and said "hey take a look at this kid and see if you think you can develope him" or "we are looking at this kid what do you think"? I find it hard to believe that Cerrato or whoever is saying "Oh, we need to get another WR, lets just pick this guy up and see what Hixon can do with him." "We need more camp bodies so our regular players won't get hurt in preseason", "lets just keep our revolving door of WR's going and pick up this idget and see what he's got".

Now we have two supposedly talented WR's and possibly a third and we still can't get anything out of them so I guess we must have taken them way too high in the draft cause they are camp fodder also.

Bro you don't have to defend your position: Hixon has the worst resume of any person I've ever heard in that he can't name one success in his professional career.

The whole point is that other teams develop WR talent every few years...the good franchises do it regularly. Look at what the Gmen have done w/ a handful of WRs that few heard of and people around here ripped on. Hixon and the Skins HAVEN'T DEVELOPED A WR IN 5+ YEARS...that should be enough to make any fans blood boil unless they're on a heavy dose of prozac lol.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Bro you don't have to defend your position: Hixon has the worst resume of any person I've ever heard in that he can't name one success in his professional career.

The whole point is that other teams develop WR talent every few years...the good franchises do it regularly. Look at what the Gmen have done w/ a handful of WRs that few heard of and people around here ripped on. Hixon and the Skins HAVEN'T DEVELOPED A WR IN 5+ YEARS...that should be enough to make any fans blood boil unless they're on a heavy dose of prozac lol.

Not to defend Hixon, but...
The Giants, Pats (pre Moss), Seahawks etc have also been able to get more wide receiver production because of superior o-line talent and very good QB play. It is also possible that we have overvalued are young wr talent, although I gotta believe (hope?) one will make big steps soon.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Bro you don't have to defend your position: Hixon has the worst resume of any person I've ever heard in that he can't name one success in his professional career.

The whole point is that other teams develop WR talent every few years...the good franchises do it regularly. Look at what the Gmen have done w/ a handful of WRs that few heard of and people around here ripped on. Hixon and the Skins HAVEN'T DEVELOPED A WR IN 5+ YEARS...that should be enough to make any fans blood boil unless they're on a heavy dose of prozac lol.

Good QBs = good WRs. It was foolish to think Eli was going to put up Campbell-esque numbers just because Plax went to the clink.

[SkinEmAll]

thomas and kelly suck, period. there are no more f'n excuses for these chumps. they have the talent but NO balls or desire to grow balls. to hell with both of em. i hope they are cut in ther off season, along with zorn and the whole f'n staff. thank you and good night.

[MTK]

At this point it's still too early to write off Thomas/Kelly/Davis. And honestly I put more blame with Zorn on not getting these guys involved. I think the effort has been there with trying to get Kelly going though.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

At this point it's still too early to write off Thomas/Kelly/Davis. And honestly I put more blame with Zorn on not getting these guys involved. I think the effort has been there with trying to get Kelly going though.

Good points . We have had coaching changes < Gibbs - AL S. > , now Zorn . JC is still growing and has not had much time with DT or Kelly < hurt 08 > . That being said , we should be able to get more production . Could be worse , we could have all been raised in dallas or philly

[SmootSmack]

At what point though do we say "You've made it to the NFL. To have gotten this far you should know how to run certain routes"?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

At what point though do we say "You've made it to the NFL. To have gotten this far you should know how to run certain routes"?

You are right, let's just fire Hixon, and not hire anyone in his place. I pretty much guarantee we would get the same production, maybe even better!

[jamf]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

At what point though do we say "You've made it to the NFL. To have gotten this far you should know how to run certain routes"?

Typically when a guy is in the starting lineup, I guess that doesn't work for us.

[Hog1]

While I am....not happy (with many things) with the reciever production this team delivers. It has been an issue lo' these many years. When you take the scope of the entire team and "it's production", it is not much of a leap to suggest our newbie's may NOT have gotten the best coaching available, and THAT has played a part in their development of lack thereof?
HTTR

[sportscurmudgeon]

Where are Kelly and Thomas?

Kelly is starting at WR; Thomas is on the bench where he belongs because when he does find himself on the field for an offensive snap, he does nothing to make the coaches think they ought to do that more frequently.

The real question here ought to be:

Who thought these two guys were the WRs who would turn the Skins' lackluster WR corps into an elite WR corps?

Find the answer to that question and you may be on the path to progress...

[SBXVII]

Whoever thought the sole problem of the Skins was the WR's and thought that by picking up 2-3 new WR's would do the trick is not paying any attention to game day. I think we all know they other issues, like the O-line's blocking, JC's quarterbacking, Zorn's playcalling, etc.

This thread was talking about Kelly and Thomas so assuming we are talking about not just them but all the WR's, I hate to think we could not find a couple of productive WR's out of the bunch I listed earlier; Mix, McMullen, Mann, Eloi, Hacket, Hagens, Roydell Williams, Patton, Lloyd, Espy, McCardell, Pinkston.

I'll agree not all of them are NFL quality and we simply gave them a shot. But not all of them are camp scrubb material either. But some of this weight has to be placed on Hixon for failure to develope/coach the players.

[MTK]

Still waiting to hear what hidden gem WR that was cut from here and went on to have success with another team. That might help convince me Hixon is a poor coach.

Couldn't we run through a list of camp bodies from the past few years at every position and use that to call out that certain position coach? Just saying.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Still waiting to hear what hidden gem WR that was cut from here and went on to have success with another team. That might help convince me Hixon is a poor coach.

Couldn't we run through a list of camp bodies from the past few years at every position and use that to call out that certain position coach? Just saying.

I don't know that it's a WR that has left and developed elsewhere but more the lack of receivers he's developed since he had them. Of course a lot of it is on the player also but the coach has to bear some of the blame as well.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Still waiting to hear what hidden gem WR that was cut from here and went on to have success with another team. That might help convince me Hixon is a poor coach.

Couldn't we run through a list of camp bodies from the past few years at every position and use that to call out that certain position coach? Just saying.

You don't really want to hear answers Matty, or atleast you aren't really open to reasonable proofs short of the mystical gem you ask for. The fact is, most WR's get one shot, and they learn or don't learn from the team that brings them in. Add to that the lack of success that Hixon has had in remotely raising the performance of any wide receiver, and you have a legitimate reason to look for a better coach. It certainly isn't the only issue, but it is one constant for the last 5 years of lousy receiver growth, even when the FO has spent many picks and brought many players in over that time period.