Slingin Sammy 33s - Panthers Game Review

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I haven't been able to watch too much NCAA this year, but I'm an ND fan and Clausen has been pretty damn good, even with his top WR out for the year. He's made big plays to win games. I just hope he stays in so ND can get a championship next year. He's probably coming out though and he'd be a good pick-up. But he'll probably be gone before we pick.

Bradford's coming off shoulder surgery, he was ridiculously productive last year, but I'm not 100% sold on him. I don't think he's bust material, but I don't make a move up to get him.

Tebow, great college QB, will be a situational player or hybrid Wildcat guy in the NFL. Not NFL QB material.

McCoy, another great college QB. Maybe a backup in a spread style offense in the NFL, but could bust completely.

Our best bet is to get Okung for LT if we can, but he'll likely be gone also.

If we keep playing the way we are, we will have another chance to miss on the next Adrian Peterson.

[30gut]

Good breakdown SS-

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

- Moss' corner route that was "overthrown" wasn't Campbell's fault. That was a well thrown pass, based on the separation Moss created. Pass-pro was fine. On Moss' post corner route he gives nothing more than a quick head shake, no post move at all. Very poor route.

It seemed as if Moss wanted to get a pass interference more then he wanted the TD.
That pass bounces in the endzone not very far from where Moss was standing when he stops running the route.

- Jason Campbell's limitations. While he didn't kill us this week, he fumbles again in the pocket and almost fumbled a second time. He isn't improving his ball security. Zorn is clearly protecting him with the playcalling. Out of 23 pass attempts, 13 were quick passes to 1 receiver (no reads) or screens. 3 were play-action, of the other 7, 4 were the TE delay play. Zorn isn't putting Campbell in a position to drop-back or sit in the gun, read the D and make throws based on progressions/reads.Granted the OL protection was not good overall for the day, but I'm not seeing Campbell progressing week-to-week.

Disagree with you here.
The playcalling isn't giving Campbell the chance to take the reigns of the offense.
But, i don't think its a trust issue issue i just think Zorn has lost his mojo as a playcaller.
I think that Zorn is nervous about the OL ability to pass protect.
Zorn is calling plays like we are a running team as opposed to WCO.
Pass early and often run late.
I could go into a whole thread on Zorn's playcalling but i digress.
I think Campbell's only limitations are the OL+Playcalling.

What we've seen so far is zero or minimal improvement in JC, certainly not to the point where opposing defenses view him as a threat to beat them in the passing game.

Imo JC has been playing well i think he's found his comfort on the deep ball.
He's getting the ball out at the top of his drop more then last year, and he's been more accurate, he going through his progressions and has a quicker release.

- D. Hall is soft as cotton. He could be on the cover of the damn Downy bottle.

Hall's play is so nerve racking! Hall was playing his balls off last year he was coming up with force and making 1-on-1 tackles against RBs, remember the Ravens game? He put the wood to some RBs.

Maybe DBs are like RBs empty pockets+heavy heart=production

Zorn's playcalling in key situations.....This isn't improving.
.....Just terrible.

Zorn's playcalling overall is puzzling, his playcalling tendencies are opposite to this teams strengths, opposite to the WCO and opposite to Zorn's own playcalling history. Last season Zorn passed early and often even on 1st down, used 3 and 4 wide receivers sets and used the shotgun even on 1st down.
Now, despite that our passing game is more effective then our running game the playcalling has become more run focused?

(I have a detailed look i can post that compares the last years Dallas game to this years Rams with a focus on 1st down playcalling. I can post it if anyone wants to see it, but the sum was that Zorn was pass heavy early and finished balanced now he's balanced and borderline run favored early)
Dallas: Out of the 1st 12 1st downs 10 were passes.
Rams: Of the 1st 12 1st downs 6 were runs.

What did the coaches see in practice that they didn't see on game film. I guess not what I saw. I saw Rinehart getting better and starting to develop with Heyer. These two young guys could solidify our right side for years. Are they Pro Bowl guys? Probably not, but were they consistently making mistakes, No. These two can develop into a good RG/RT tandem IMO.

I don't understand how the Skins are treating Rhinehart.
He played with 1st team during the offseason and basiclly split time with Randy during the training camp and preseason, yet when the time came Zorn was hesistant to start him then benches him 2 games later?

MW is going to struggle in space and with even average speed or finese DL players.

I hope Williams has shored up his game at RT because i thought he looked slow and stiff during the preseason.

- Get Rinehart back at RG, Heyer at RT, Batiste at LT. Provide TE, RB or protection calls to help Batiste.

I would put Heyer@LT, Williams@RG (i just think that Williams is a bit more physical and the team's apparent lack of faith in Rhinehart makes me wonder)
Batiste@RT

- Start Orakpo at RDE, Jarmon at LDE, keep the pass-rush combo of Carter, Haynesworth, Orakpo, Jarmon intact in passing downs. Activate Jackson, cut Wynn.
- Use Wilson, Blades, Carter or some combination at SLB.

Wouldn't change a whole bunch on defense.
I would rush Orakpo more often from the SAM spot and move Orakpo to DE and with Wilson at SAM.

- Use more spread sets on offense, mix up formations, better route combos. Don't protect JC with playcalls, let him sink or swim.

Yes please!
Put the game in JC hands put him in shotgun and pass early and often.

- Use Cooley and Davis to create mismatches in the run & passing game. If the D defends them with LBs, throw them the ball. If the D defends them with DBs, run down the Ds throat.

Shoot, don't use Cooley to block!
At this point i think Zorn has his hands full with what we're already doing i doubt if he can add double TE sets and actually pass from them, although i'd love it.

- get Barnes on the field in primarily run packages,
if Hall gets pissed tell, him we can go back and look at film again.

I hope Gray can somehow light a fire under Hall.
I feel like a sucker i bought into Hall's homecoming story and his desire to reach his full potential.

- Blache keep mixing up the fronts, blitz, zone blitz, disguise coverage, we've got 31 flavors, use 'em all.

100% More zone-blitz, more SAM blitz

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think that Zorn is nervous about the OL ability to pass protect.

Good points.

This week the OL was definitely a problem. But Zorn's playcalling is baffling. Zorn comes from the Walsh/Holmgren tree you would think he would be scripting his first 15 plays, it sure doesn't seem that way.

Imo JC has been playing well i think he's found his comfort on the deep ball.

The one to DT was excellent, however Weeks 2-4 he made some serious mistakes with his deep passing.

He's getting the ball out at the top of his drop more then last year, and he's been more accurate, he going through his progressions and has a quicker release.

I agree, if his pre-read to the primary receiver is correct and he's open. However, it appears to me if the primary isn't open he struggles coming off the primary and progressing to the secondary receivers

Maybe DBs are like RBs empty pockets+heavy heart=production

Maybe Blache should start imposing fines for softness and Hall's pockets would be lighter in a hurry. LOL

Zorn's playcalling overall is puzzling, his playcalling tendencies are opposite to this teams strengths, opposite to the WCO and opposite to Zorn's own playcalling history. Last season Zorn passed early and often even on 1st down, used 3 and 4 wide receivers sets and used the shotgun even on 1st down.
Now, despite that our passing game is more effective then our running game the playcalling has become more run focused?

(I have a detailed look i can post that compares the last years Dallas game to this years Rams with a focus on 1st down playcalling. I can post it if anyone wants to see it, but the sum was that Zorn was pass heavy early and finished balanced now he's balanced and borderline run favored early)
Dallas: Out of the 1st 12 1st downs 10 were passes.
Rams: Of the 1st 12 1st downs 6 were runs.

Great point.

Yes please!
Put the game in JC hands put him in shotgun and pass early and often.

This is critical. As a franchise we must get a clear evaluation on JC now. Is JC the 6-2 guy from early 2008 or is he the guy from Weeks 3-4 2009? My feeling is that he's the guy from weeks 3-4, but we need to see more to be sure.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This week the OL was definitely a problem. But Zorn's playcalling is baffling. Zorn comes from the Walsh/Holmgren tree you would think he would be scripting his first 15 plays, it sure doesn't seem that way.

I wonder if he does script his 1st 15 because if he does he might want to let someone else make the script, seriously.

We almost never score on our 1st drives, we don't score many points in the 1st half and we run the ball like we have a power OL

Yet in the second half of games the offense is forced to open up because we're trailing and there is more success.
I've even heard Zorn give credit to Sherman Smith and Chris Meidt for their input in half time adjustments like the deep ball to Moss in Detroit.

I agree, if his pre-read to the primary receiver is correct and he's open. However, it appears to me if the primary isn't open he struggles coming off the primary and progressing to the secondary receivers

Well i see his head scanning and i see him looking to one side then coming backside and finding another receiver or hitting Betts on check downs.
I heard Zorn say on the Sports Fix that JC is going through his progression and sometimes he's going through them too fast.

This is critical. As a franchise we must get a clear evaluation on JC now. Is JC the 6-2 guy from early 2008 or is he the guy from Weeks 3-4 2009? My feeling is that he's the guy from weeks 3-4, but we need to see more to be sure.

I don't think the guy from weeks 3-4 has been bad.
The only game where he statistically played poorly we won.
He only thre 23 passes against the Panthers.
The Lions game would have been helped if the playcalling led to a score in the RZ.
Giants game maybe we should have went to the Shotgun passing game earlier?

But, you're right we must get a clear evaluation on JC; and to do this the game must be placed on Jason's shoulders.
If we get a good evaluation of JC it could save us a draft pick that could be spent on the OL.

I happen to think JC is more of the 6-2 guy 2-6 guy.

Hail!

[GTripp0012]

You're getting so good at this, that I'm just going to nibble on scraps from now on. But seriously, reading this before going to the tape opens up a whole new world of things that I probably would have missed before. This is an invaluable resource.

And good comments 30gut.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You're getting so good at this, that I'm just going to nibble on scraps from now on. But seriously, reading this before going to the tape opens up a whole new world of things that I probably would have missed before. This is an invaluable resource.

And good comments 30gut.

Thanks for the kind words. Your review does the same for me, it either re-emphasizes what I'm seeing or points out different things that I missed. It's like having "another set of eyes". LOL

[tryfuhl]

Thanks again, I always learn something./

[skins89moss]

Good Info Slinging Sammy 33

Well Zorn has said that they will move Heyer (LT) Williams (RT) and Rhinehart or Monty(RG). I thought Zorn or Vinny said Rhinehart had a shoulder injury that's why Williams played RG. Whats the truth on that Sammy if you know? As far as Mike Williams lets give him a shot we dont have many options at this point so Im pulling for the Big Guy.

[budw38]

Just a thought , what about running some no-huddle , let JC call some plays , or have the ability to change the play at the line of scrimmage < shotgun or under center > ??

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by budw38

Just a thought , what about running some no-huddle , let JC call some plays , or have the ability to change the play at the line of scrimmage < shotgun or under center > ??

All critical to any good offense....and we do none of these.

[MTK]

Here's my summary: Samuels goes down and the entire offense crumbles.

As for Heyer, I can't believe anyone is talking about him as the future of anything. Dude is garbage. Honestly, JC is going to get killed unless Heyer gets some serious help on his side. There's no way I would trust Heyer on his own.

[tryfuhl]

What's the deal with all of the single option/look passes? Does Zorn really not trust Campbell to make a decision quickly? Seems like he does better with that (2 min drills, no huddle, etc). You've got receivers running routes that are never in the plans to get thrown to, only to not 100% give the D knowledge of who's getting the ball.. but every cornerback, safety, LB, and especially defensive staff knows that. If we're going to do that why not run route fakes, pumps, start with an opposite look and then come back to the guy the ball is played for, something?

My apologies if this has been covered, will read replies now

[MTK]

The run by Jake was sickening. Hall's effort wouldn't have cut it even in a Pee Wee league.

[MTK]

I think it's painfully obvious Zorn is in way over his head as an offensive coordinator/play caller. He might as well be throwing darts to pick his plays.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it's painfully obvious Zorn is in way over his head as an offensive coordinator/play caller. He might as well be throwing darts to pick his plays.

yeah this kind of says it all right here

D.C. Sports Bog - Zorn Admits He Didn't Know Fair Catch Rule

I really think Zorn could have had some more success here if he didn't surround himself with....well, himself