Propping up the sky around here

WaldSkins · 10-14-2009, 09:52 PM

A positive thing would be that if you wanted to go to a game ,you could get some really good seat's for cheap.

poopoobigelow · 10-14-2009, 10:09 PM

i'm with you on trying to be positive... what's the point of bitching about every little thing, every player, every coach? does it make people feel better? probably a little, after the game... but all week long being pissed off -- why?

let's look at our record, which is the only thing that matters... not how we won or how poorly we played despite winning... what did you have, realistically, at the beggining of the season? i had a loss in NY and a loss in carolina... and wins against the rams, lions and bucs... didn't most of you? so, really there is one abberation, the lions -- which sucked, but it happens: this is the nfl, there is talent on every team (even the raiders)... no one is going to lay down for anyone, every game is potentially a loss...

onto zorn... he's still learning... we're all violently shoving him under the bus, but the guy is learning... should he have been hired in the first place? probably not... but, is that his fault? is it crazy to think that he will start to learn, adapt with his schemes and play-calling? maybe he will, maybe he won't... but assuming that, one, he absolutely can't and, two, that another coach in the middle of the season is magically going to turn it around is the worst of pessimism and the best of optimism at the same time...

and doesn't that kind of sum up redskins nation? a win, and we're going to the superbowl... a loss, and everyone on the team sucks and the coaches are idiots... find some middle ground and i promise that you'll be happier and live longer...

SmootSmack · 10-14-2009, 10:18 PM

We have an absolute, stud, beast pass rusher. Something we've been bitching about for years. We have him now...except he's dropping back in coverage as a linebacker...but still.

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We have an absolute, stud, beast pass rusher. Something we've been bitching about for years. We have him now...except he's dropping back in coverage as a linebacker...but still.

I dig the positivity, but it doesn't hit as a whole

we have big people from our site speaking positively in one light, then saying omg we're doomed in another

let's just say we should take what we can get from this season, evaluations are all that matters

SmootSmack · 10-14-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I dig the positivity, but it doesn't hit as a whole

we have big people from our site speaking positively in one light, then saying omg we're doomed in another

let's just say we should take what we can get from this season, evaluations are all that matters

What do you mean?

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you mean?

saying there was a lot of positivity from the same people that are saying pack it in right now

hey I saw positivity too though

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We have an absolute, stud, beast pass rusher. Something we've been bitching about for years. We have him now...except he's dropping back in coverage as a linebacker...but still.

HUGE issue and one of those I've commented on for awhile, including on this board

get the players that play THEIR positions

i'm tired of moving players between their somewhat positions, other positions, etc

people excel at what they do, don't hold them back

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 10:26 PM

oh the big people, you probably think that I was referring to staff

not my intention, just the people that I respect around here

SmootSmack · 10-14-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

oh the big people, you probably think that I was referring to staff

No I was just, still am, unclear on what you meant. I mean I think it's ok to say we have major issues that need to be addressed yet at the same time we have some positives we can build on. I don't think it's an either or situation

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No I was just, still am, unclear on what you meant. I mean I think it's ok to say we have major issues that need to be addressed yet at the same time we have some positives we can build on. I don't think it's an either or situation

oh, not skins staff

SmootSmack · 10-14-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

oh, not skins staff

Yeah I figured that much

tryfuhl · 10-14-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah I figured that much

yeah I read that but I figured that I'd hold out for your offer

hagams · 10-15-2009, 05:49 AM

Good post, and a great change of pace. I don't think, and I'm not accusing anyone of being a "fair-weather" fan, but it has gotten a little mob-ish the past weeks. The one thing we can say about our Redskins, is that there's never a dull moment, and there's never nothing to talk about. Imagine being a Detroit or Oakland fan right now, or over the past two seasons.

rypper11 · 10-15-2009, 08:01 AM

Thanks, Pain.
From a personnel standpoint I think we are closer to the Giants than the Raiders. I really only see one problem with the Skins this year but it trickles into every facet of the team.
There is no identity.
Who are the Redskins? Tough D and conservative offense one week and heaving 50 yd incompletions the next. The D gets big TO's now (something that has been missing for a long time) and when we play dink and dunk we win close games. Then comes the bitching about how horrible the offense is. So the coaches (whom I firmly believe care more about making fans happy than winning) the next week throw it all over the field.
I think that this season can be saved if management gives Zorn a public guarantee that he will be the HC for the full season (as the players seem to want) and that he will only be evaluated in the offseason. Maybe then Zorn will develop his offensive identity and stick with it for the next 11 games.

Monkeydad · 10-15-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

DAMN! This place is bordering on taking an "Extreme-"ist tone recently. You can peek into any thread and read about cutting everyone, firing everyone, blowing it all up, etc., etc., etc. I've been guilty of it too but tonight I'm saying enough.

It's been like this since I have been a member back in the Ramsey/Coles/Gardner days.

Pessimism seems to infect most Skins fans.

10-14-2009, 09:52 PM	#1
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 42 Posts: 2,726	Re: Propping up the sky around here A positive thing would be that if you wanted to go to a game ,you could get some really good seat's for cheap. __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

10-14-2009, 10:09 PM	#2
poopoobigelow Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SLC, unfortunately... Posts: 22	Re: Propping up the sky around here i'm with you on trying to be positive... what's the point of bitching about every little thing, every player, every coach? does it make people feel better? probably a little, after the game... but all week long being pissed off -- why? let's look at our record, which is the only thing that matters... not how we won or how poorly we played despite winning... what did you have, realistically, at the beggining of the season? i had a loss in NY and a loss in carolina... and wins against the rams, lions and bucs... didn't most of you? so, really there is one abberation, the lions -- which sucked, but it happens: this is the nfl, there is talent on every team (even the raiders)... no one is going to lay down for anyone, every game is potentially a loss... onto zorn... he's still learning... we're all violently shoving him under the bus, but the guy is learning... should he have been hired in the first place? probably not... but, is that his fault? is it crazy to think that he will start to learn, adapt with his schemes and play-calling? maybe he will, maybe he won't... but assuming that, one, he absolutely can't and, two, that another coach in the middle of the season is magically going to turn it around is the worst of pessimism and the best of optimism at the same time... and doesn't that kind of sum up redskins nation? a win, and we're going to the superbowl... a loss, and everyone on the team sucks and the coaches are idiots... find some middle ground and i promise that you'll be happier and live longer...

10-14-2009, 10:18 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Propping up the sky around here We have an absolute, stud, beast pass rusher. Something we've been bitching about for years. We have him now...except he's dropping back in coverage as a linebacker...but still. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-14-2009, 10:26 PM	#8
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: Propping up the sky around here oh the big people, you probably think that I was referring to staff not my intention, just the people that I respect around here

10-15-2009, 05:49 AM	#13
hagams Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beaufort SC Age: 46 Posts: 933	Re: Propping up the sky around here Good post, and a great change of pace. I don't think, and I'm not accusing anyone of being a "fair-weather" fan, but it has gotten a little mob-ish the past weeks. The one thing we can say about our Redskins, is that there's never a dull moment, and there's never nothing to talk about. Imagine being a Detroit or Oakland fan right now, or over the past two seasons. __________________ We are always superbowl contenders in March!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

10-15-2009, 08:01 AM	#14
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: Propping up the sky around here Thanks, Pain. From a personnel standpoint I think we are closer to the Giants than the Raiders. I really only see one problem with the Skins this year but it trickles into every facet of the team. There is no identity. Who are the Redskins? Tough D and conservative offense one week and heaving 50 yd incompletions the next. The D gets big TO's now (something that has been missing for a long time) and when we play dink and dunk we win close games. Then comes the bitching about how horrible the offense is. So the coaches (whom I firmly believe care more about making fans happy than winning) the next week throw it all over the field. I think that this season can be saved if management gives Zorn a public guarantee that he will be the HC for the full season (as the players seem to want) and that he will only be evaluated in the offseason. Maybe then Zorn will develop his offensive identity and stick with it for the next 11 games. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

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