who stays? who goes?

GTripp0012 · 11-12-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomad

I like that Vick under an new head coach, and Tebow learning for two years, with Sproles, the WR core and TE core, a new OL.... if we got these guys and wasnt a playoff team the next year, i donate a month check to a charity of the warpath choice........ I think in the draft i have to go after C.J. Spiller in the draft if he is available late 1st or 2nd round, Spiller, Sproles.... i keep Rock, cut Betts..... sign Vick to a two year deal.... opt. second year. I like this team already

I like it as well, but in the "this is a really terrible idea, I'm glad someone had the balls to suggest it" kind of way.

I actually think Tebow could work here, but let's put it this way: the man is going to come out with more than 40 college starts plus significant package time as a true freshman. If he needs to go to the bench for any length of time, you're not getting anything from him.

And because you're rebuilding, you wouldn't draft him to be a package player. Either you think he can be an every down quarterback who uses the pocket well enough to compensate for a slow release, or he isn't. No wildcat crap.

mlmdub130 · 11-12-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I like it as well, but in the "this is a really terrible idea, I'm glad someone had the balls to suggest it" kind of way.

nice

Trample the Elderly · 11-12-2009, 02:15 PM

Hmmm. I would keep:

Doughty, Orakpo, Horton, Montgomery, Golston, Haynesworth, Fletcher, Jarmon, Wilson, Blades, McIntosh, and Moore on D.

Mitchell, Rabach, Dockery, Cooley, Cartwright, and Campbell on O.

Those are just my preferences. They may not be realistic.

I wouldn't rule out trading anyone for O-lineman or draft picks.

Oh yeah, I forgot the Redsnapper and Hunter.

GTripp0012 · 11-12-2009, 12:44 AM

Goes (one reason or another): Collins, Brennan, Betts (yep, my avatar), Ganther, Thomas or Kelly (literally an either or camp battle), Yoder, Samuels, Batiste, Randy Thomas, Will Montgomery, Rabach, Daniels, Griffin, Anthony Montgomery, Wynn, Henson, Smoot, Westbrook, Landry

Bring in: OT Trent Williams, LB Sean Weatherspoon or RB Anthony Dixon or CB Javier Arenas, OT Kyle Calloway or C J.D. Walton, RB Andre Anderson or RB Joique Bell, CB Sherrick McMannis, S Ryan Clark, NTs Fred Robbins or Aubreyo Franklin, WR Antonio Bryant, RB Kevin Faulk

No quarterback, reasoning: I like both Ryan Mallett and Christian Ponder. A lot.

GTripp0012 · 11-12-2009, 12:47 AM

I propose that the defensive hire for 2010 is someone versed in either the multiple defense, or a 3-4 coach. The reasoning is it looks like our personnel best fits a 3-4, as shown:

DL: NTs Haynesworth and Monty (or veteran replacement), DEs Lorenzo Alexander, Jeremy Jarmon, and Kedric Golston

LBs: OLBs Brian Orakpo and Chris Wilson (plus UDFA help), ILBs London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, and HB Blades

SouperMeister · 11-12-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I propose that the defensive hire for 2010 is someone versed in either the multiple defense, or a 3-4 coach. The reasoning is it looks like our personnel best fits a 3-4, as shown:

DL: NTs Haynesworth and Monty (or veteran replacement), DEs Lorenzo Alexander, Jeremy Jarmon, and Kedric Golston

LBs: OLBs Brian Orakpo and Chris Wilson (plus UDFA help), ILBs London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, and HB Blades

I like this idea alot. I don't see Orakpo as a 4-3 SAM, but he could be a monster as a 3-4 OLB.

NM Redskin · 11-12-2009, 07:38 AM

I can't believe all the peeps saying get rid of both DT and MK. Patience people! No one is spectacular is this offense, so I think the jury still out on them.

Paintrain · 11-12-2009, 08:10 AM

It's so early for this without know who is going to be running things and what system we will be running.. The only thing I'd like to see regardless is that we get younger by moving on from Daniels, Wynn, R. Thomas and we need to start thinking about a replacement for Fletcher in next year's draft.

CRedskinsRule · 11-12-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's so early for this without know who is going to be running things and what system we will be running.. The only thing I'd like to see regardless is that we get younger by moving on from Daniels, Wynn, R. Thomas and we need to start thinking about a replacement for Fletcher in next year's draft.

I think as a fan board, it's obviously what fans like to do. But you are absolutely right, lets get a solid GM in, let him choose the HC and player personnel staff. Hopefully that can be done quickly following the end of the season. and we can be trading players for picks, avoid overspending on the first day of free agency and have a solid draft. I would be one happy lemming.

mlmdub130 · 11-12-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think as a fan board, it's obviously what fans like to do. But you are absolutely right, lets get a solid GM in, let him choose the HC and player personnel staff. Hopefully that can be done quickly following the end of the season. and we can be trading players for picks, avoid overspending on the first day of free agency and have a solid draft. I would be one happy lemming.

why are you still so bitter, and it is a fan board, thats why it was asked to the fans on this board, who would you like to see stay and go? and consequently people gave their opinions

Meks · 11-12-2009, 09:17 AM

some of the things u guys have said are ok, some are crazy ...

KEEP --
JC
Colt
Portis (better line, better offense, better portis)
Sellers -- get over the issues, the guy can play
Moss -- is STILL our best reciever.
Kelly
Thomas
M.Mitchell
Dock
Rhinehart
Heyer
Cooley
Davis
Yoder

happy trails -- please trade Betts and ARE in some sort of package. PLEASE
**bye bye rest of the line ... we need younger and some better vets.

Defense KEEP

Orakpo (ovbious)
Haynes
Alexander
Golston
Wilson
Jarmon
Rocky
Fletch
Blades
Carlos
Hall
Landry
Horton
Moore
Tryon -- seems to be improving.... it takes time especially at that position

bye - smoot, ur finished. andre carter, we kno u can p[lay but ur gettin too old, doughty... we need a higher level of play, more hunger, im not seeing it and ur bad angle tackling and slow coverage skills must go ... anyone i 4.got ... well ... that says it right there

SolidSnake84 · 11-12-2009, 09:26 AM

don't know why you'd keep JC at this point. Portis really shouldnt be kept but his salary makes it impossible to move on him.

rbanerjee23 · 11-12-2009, 09:34 AM

Im on board with the group that wants to trade Cooley, we really need draft picks and I don't think a 2nd plus 3rd rounder is asking too much for him. I have been one of JC's biggest supporters but I think 5 years is enough, you can only have so much of a window to succeed with a team and I think that window is closing fast. Moss is audi 5000, along with Devin. Keep Mitchell and Kelly and try to bring in a low priced veteran to even out the group.
O line, with the exception of dock and levi, no one on that line should be starting, Mike Williams should be cut, Heyer is a second maybe third string at best, Rabach is a back up, Rhinehart is a backup. I AM SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED BY BUGEL, HE HAS NOT DEVELOPED A SINGLE GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMAN IN HIS TIME HERE AND I THINK HE SHOULD BE FIRED AS WELL

diehardskin2982 · 11-12-2009, 10:31 AM

I would have to let portis go because he doesn't practice and seems to be a disruption to the team chemistry.

GridIron26 · 11-12-2009, 10:44 AM

My choices to keep would be:

Campbell
D. Thomas
M. Kelly
M. Mitchell
Fred Davis
Cooley
Heyer
Rinehart
Doc
Samuels (if he wants to return, but would prefer if he retires for both, his and Redskins' sakes)
Moss
Betts
Levi Jones (only if he performs well this season, but he should not expect to be starter unless he can beat out rookies or FAs)
E. Williams
Colt (only if he wins the competition against FAs and/or FA rookies)

Orakpo
Haynesworth
Jarmon
Wilson
Fletcher (I would want to keep him for one more year, just until we can find his replacement)
Blades
C. Rogers
Hall (maybe just until we can find his replacement)
Carter
Landry
Horton
Doughty
Moore (for all safeties, I would try to sign some FAs to compete for the spot, whoever is best wins)
Golston
Griffin (I know he's old, but we can't really expect to fill in all positions within one off-season; beside Griffin still has some left in tank, especially with Haynesworth beside him)
L. Alexander
Rocky McIntosh
Kevin Barnes
Tryon (maybe)

11-12-2009, 02:15 PM	#3
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 48 Posts: 2,906	Re: who stays? who goes? Hmmm. I would keep: Doughty, Orakpo, Horton, Montgomery, Golston, Haynesworth, Fletcher, Jarmon, Wilson, Blades, McIntosh, and Moore on D. Mitchell, Rabach, Dockery, Cooley, Cartwright, and Campbell on O. Those are just my preferences. They may not be realistic. I wouldn't rule out trading anyone for O-lineman or draft picks. Oh yeah, I forgot the Redsnapper and Hunter. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

11-12-2009, 12:44 AM	#4
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: who stays? who goes? Goes (one reason or another): Collins, Brennan, Betts (yep, my avatar), Ganther, Thomas or Kelly (literally an either or camp battle), Yoder, Samuels, Batiste, Randy Thomas, Will Montgomery, Rabach, Daniels, Griffin, Anthony Montgomery, Wynn, Henson, Smoot, Westbrook, Landry Bring in: OT Trent Williams, LB Sean Weatherspoon or RB Anthony Dixon or CB Javier Arenas, OT Kyle Calloway or C J.D. Walton, RB Andre Anderson or RB Joique Bell, CB Sherrick McMannis, S Ryan Clark, NTs Fred Robbins or Aubreyo Franklin, WR Antonio Bryant, RB Kevin Faulk No quarterback, reasoning: I like both Ryan Mallett and Christian Ponder. A lot. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-12-2009, 12:47 AM	#5
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: who stays? who goes? I propose that the defensive hire for 2010 is someone versed in either the multiple defense, or a 3-4 coach. The reasoning is it looks like our personnel best fits a 3-4, as shown: DL: NTs Haynesworth and Monty (or veteran replacement), DEs Lorenzo Alexander, Jeremy Jarmon, and Kedric Golston LBs: OLBs Brian Orakpo and Chris Wilson (plus UDFA help), ILBs London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, and HB Blades __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-12-2009, 07:38 AM	#7
NM Redskin The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,014	Re: who stays? who goes? I can't believe all the peeps saying get rid of both DT and MK. Patience people! No one is spectacular is this offense, so I think the jury still out on them. __________________ Despite my solid 40 time and great intangibles I went undrafted AGAIN!

11-12-2009, 08:10 AM	#8
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: who stays? who goes? It's so early for this without know who is going to be running things and what system we will be running.. The only thing I'd like to see regardless is that we get younger by moving on from Daniels, Wynn, R. Thomas and we need to start thinking about a replacement for Fletcher in next year's draft. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

11-12-2009, 09:17 AM	#11
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,923	Re: who stays? who goes? some of the things u guys have said are ok, some are crazy ... KEEP -- JC Colt Portis (better line, better offense, better portis) Sellers -- get over the issues, the guy can play Moss -- is STILL our best reciever. Kelly Thomas M.Mitchell Dock Rhinehart Heyer Cooley Davis Yoder happy trails -- please trade Betts and ARE in some sort of package. PLEASE bye bye rest of the line ... we need younger and some better vets. Defense KEEP Orakpo (ovbious) Haynes Alexander Golston Wilson Jarmon Rocky Fletch Blades Carlos Hall Landry Horton Moore Tryon -- seems to be improving.... it takes time especially at that position bye - smoot, ur finished. andre carter, we kno u can p[lay but ur gettin too old, doughty... we need a higher level of play, more hunger, im not seeing it and ur bad angle tackling and slow coverage skills must go ... anyone i 4.got ... well ... that says it right there __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR**

11-12-2009, 09:26 AM	#12
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: who stays? who goes? don't know why you'd keep JC at this point. Portis really shouldnt be kept but his salary makes it impossible to move on him. __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

11-12-2009, 09:34 AM	#13
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: who stays? who goes? Im on board with the group that wants to trade Cooley, we really need draft picks and I don't think a 2nd plus 3rd rounder is asking too much for him. I have been one of JC's biggest supporters but I think 5 years is enough, you can only have so much of a window to succeed with a team and I think that window is closing fast. Moss is audi 5000, along with Devin. Keep Mitchell and Kelly and try to bring in a low priced veteran to even out the group. O line, with the exception of dock and levi, no one on that line should be starting, Mike Williams should be cut, Heyer is a second maybe third string at best, Rabach is a back up, Rhinehart is a backup. I AM SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED BY BUGEL, HE HAS NOT DEVELOPED A SINGLE GOOD OFFENSIVE LINEMAN IN HIS TIME HERE AND I THINK HE SHOULD BE FIRED AS WELL __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

11-12-2009, 10:31 AM	#14
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: who stays? who goes? I would have to let portis go because he doesn't practice and seems to be a disruption to the team chemistry. __________________ That got ugly fast

11-12-2009, 10:44 AM	#15
GridIron26 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Age: 37 Posts: 3,732	Re: who stays? who goes? My choices to keep would be: Campbell D. Thomas M. Kelly M. Mitchell Fred Davis Cooley Heyer Rinehart Doc Samuels (if he wants to return, but would prefer if he retires for both, his and Redskins' sakes) Moss Betts Levi Jones (only if he performs well this season, but he should not expect to be starter unless he can beat out rookies or FAs) E. Williams Colt (only if he wins the competition against FAs and/or FA rookies) Orakpo Haynesworth Jarmon Wilson Fletcher (I would want to keep him for one more year, just until we can find his replacement) Blades C. Rogers Hall (maybe just until we can find his replacement) Carter Landry Horton Doughty Moore (for all safeties, I would try to sign some FAs to compete for the spot, whoever is best wins) Golston Griffin (I know he's old, but we can't really expect to fill in all positions within one off-season; beside Griffin still has some left in tank, especially with Haynesworth beside him) L. Alexander Rocky McIntosh Kevin Barnes Tryon (maybe)

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