The Real Leader of this Team and Some Radical Ideas

diehardskin2982 · 12-09-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

After watching Vick play a brokedown wildcat form for an actually decent Philly team, I can only think Vick's half the QB he used to be. Dude's not starting material anymore, imo.

I feel you right about Vick, but Snyder listens to the fans. There are enough dumb ass people out here blindly screaming for Vick to be a starting QB, even heard Lavar say it on the radio once!

pauljunior · 12-09-2009, 07:45 PM

Although unlikely, leaving things in place and staying the course with Zorn seems like a good idea at this point. The thing thats important here is consistency- Zorn obviously has some skills, i.e. motivating players. Why not put him in a capacity where the organization can make the most use of his skills at the moment without complete overhaul?

dmek25 · 12-09-2009, 03:43 PM

i guess part of being a good leader is getting the gang to play hard, long after they know they are out of it. i don't think anyone on this board would argue the skins aren't playing hard. i would think this would be one of the toughest things to do in sports

saden1 · 12-09-2009, 03:48 PM

Boring....and...stupid thread. I am not entertained at all.

SolidSnake84 · 12-09-2009, 03:55 PM

I think Vick is showing flashes of his old self and what he could do.

Vick, who is arguably still in his prime, used to be a nightmare for def. coordinators because of the plays that he could make with his arm or feet.

2 years out of the game hurt him, but he is getting back slowly, and i think a full offseason of work and a full training camp and he is back to his old self again. He will start next year somewhere...i'm sure of it.

12thMan · 12-09-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think Vick is showing flashes of his old self and what he could do.

Vick, who is arguably still in his prime, used to be a nightmare for def. coordinators because of the plays that he could make with his arm or feet.

2 years out of the game hurt him, but he is getting back slowly, and i think a full offseason of work and a full training camp and he is back to his old self again. He will start next year somewhere...i'm sure of it.

Vick is showing flashes in spurts, not for 60 minutes. Woe unto the team that starts Michael Vick next year.

freddyg12 · 12-09-2009, 04:24 PM

I don't disagree w/those that say Zorn has been in over his head. But there have been some notable changes since Sherm Lewis was brought in, if for no other reason than the players started to play out of respect (and maybe sympathy) for Zorn & all the pressure that was on him from the top.

Also, it's not just the players that take time to learn a new system. Zorn is learning as a coach. IMO, firing him now & starting w/a new offense is gambling w/all the investment of the last 2 years. Sure, maybe we'd hit the jackpot w/a new coach, but more than likely it would be another transition & another couple years, before things look decent.

I really think Zorn has earned the respect of everyone & deserves a chance to correct his mistakes, while also seeing his offense mature. Zorn is no S. Spurrier, he's showing improvement in his second year.

SolidSnake84 · 12-09-2009, 04:29 PM

I think Zorn has regressed, personally. He goes 8-8 last year, and now, best case scenario he finishes 7-9, but he must run the tables to even do that.

More likely he finishes 3-13 or 4-12.

The improvement came when another playcaller was brought in. Unfortunatley Sherm was brought in too late....

CRedskinsRule · 12-09-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think Zorn has regressed, personally. He goes 8-8 last year, and now, best case scenario he finishes 7-9, but he must run the tables to even do that.

More likely he finishes 3-13 or 4-12.

The improvement came when another playcaller was brought in. Unfortunatley Sherm was brought in too late....

Well the team clearly regressed, but Zorn as a HC, I think has taken positive steps forward, specifically once playcalling was (mostly)off his plate. I am curious what everyone thinks, if/when the Skins fire him, does he get another HC shot?

diehardskin2982 · 12-09-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well the team clearly regressed, but Zorn as a HC, I think has taken positive steps forward, specifically once playcalling was (mostly)off his plate. I am curious what everyone thinks, if/when the Skins fire him, does he get another HC shot?

in college

53Fan · 12-09-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well the team clearly regressed, but Zorn as a HC, I think has taken positive steps forward, specifically once playcalling was (mostly)off his plate. I am curious what everyone thinks, if/when the Skins fire him, does he get another HC shot?

That's a good question C. I wouldn't think so, but then again, Norv keeps getting hired. There may be someone out there who likes the way this team hasn't given up and believes that Zorn could come to a team already familiar with the WCO and help their QB get over the hump. I think he's held this team together pretty well considering the circumstances.

mlmdub130 · 12-09-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well the team clearly regressed, but Zorn as a HC, I think has taken positive steps forward, specifically once playcalling was (mostly)off his plate. I am curious what everyone thinks, if/when the Skins fire him, does he get another HC shot?

i think if holmgren gets started somewhere next year he wouldn't mind giving zorn another shot in some way

Lotus · 12-09-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

i think if holmgren gets started somewhere next year he wouldn't mind giving zorn another shot in some way

Maybe Zorn will be the OC in Seattle next year.

Lotus · 12-09-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well the team clearly regressed, but Zorn as a HC, I think has taken positive steps forward, specifically once playcalling was (mostly)off his plate. I am curious what everyone thinks, if/when the Skins fire him, does he get another HC shot?

I'm not sure that his record will speak for another shot at HC for Zorn. Maybe he can be OC for some time and alter his rep. I wish him well, though.

BTW very creative use of "Gano" in your user title. You win!

CRedskinsRule · 12-10-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm not sure that his record will speak for another shot at HC for Zorn. Maybe he can be OC for some time and alter his rep. I wish him well, though.

BTW very creative use of "Gano" in your user title. You win!

Thanks, you were the inspiration, so Ganamos!

12-09-2009, 07:45 PM	#2
pauljunior Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6	Re: The Real Leader of this Team and Some Radical Ideas Although unlikely, leaving things in place and staying the course with Zorn seems like a good idea at this point. The thing thats important here is consistency- Zorn obviously has some skills, i.e. motivating players. Why not put him in a capacity where the organization can make the most use of his skills at the moment without complete overhaul?

12-09-2009, 03:43 PM	#3
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: The Real Leader of this Team and Some Radical Ideas i guess part of being a good leader is getting the gang to play hard, long after they know they are out of it. i don't think anyone on this board would argue the skins aren't playing hard. i would think this would be one of the toughest things to do in sports __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-09-2009, 03:48 PM	#4
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: The Real Leader of this Team and Some Radical Ideas Boring....and...stupid thread. I am not entertained at all. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

12-09-2009, 03:55 PM	#5
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: The Real Leader of this Team and Some Radical Ideas I think Vick is showing flashes of his old self and what he could do. Vick, who is arguably still in his prime, used to be a nightmare for def. coordinators because of the plays that he could make with his arm or feet. 2 years out of the game hurt him, but he is getting back slowly, and i think a full offseason of work and a full training camp and he is back to his old self again. He will start next year somewhere...i'm sure of it. __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

12-09-2009, 04:24 PM	#7
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: The Real Leader of this Team and Some Radical Ideas I don't disagree w/those that say Zorn has been in over his head. But there have been some notable changes since Sherm Lewis was brought in, if for no other reason than the players started to play out of respect (and maybe sympathy) for Zorn & all the pressure that was on him from the top. Also, it's not just the players that take time to learn a new system. Zorn is learning as a coach. IMO, firing him now & starting w/a new offense is gambling w/all the investment of the last 2 years. Sure, maybe we'd hit the jackpot w/a new coach, but more than likely it would be another transition & another couple years, before things look decent. I really think Zorn has earned the respect of everyone & deserves a chance to correct his mistakes, while also seeing his offense mature. Zorn is no S. Spurrier, he's showing improvement in his second year.

12-09-2009, 04:29 PM	#8
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: The Real Leader of this Team and Some Radical Ideas I think Zorn has regressed, personally. He goes 8-8 last year, and now, best case scenario he finishes 7-9, but he must run the tables to even do that. More likely he finishes 3-13 or 4-12. The improvement came when another playcaller was brought in. Unfortunatley Sherm was brought in too late.... __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

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