Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

No way this guy would ever be considered a featured back, but remember Anthony Alridge? Shanahan was the one that recomended to Cerrato he take a look at this guy and they spoke highly of him in Denver as though some there didn't want to see him leave.

still don't know why we got rid of him and dorsey and kept mason, alridge and dorsey were what i consider change of pace backs, because they had some serious speed and dorsey is a sick return guy

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

No way this guy would ever be considered a featured back, but remember Anthony Alridge? Shanahan was the one that recomended to Cerrato he take a look at this guy and they spoke highly of him in Denver as though some there didn't want to see him leave.

Yup. That's why I purposely left him off my list

[GusFrerotte]

7 or more picks coming our way in 2010 so I am sure if Allen is really evaluating the team these last few games he will see we need a decent CB or two this coming offseason, but the O line is the priority, along with a QB for depth and/or a future starter. I think JC will stay the starting QB, but he might bolt on his own initiative after the way Snyder treated him. Thing is I am not sure that a lot of teams will take him in, other than maybe Oakland, TB, or KC. I don't think he is the leader folks make hiim out to be just because he didn't quit against the Gmen, but I think he is on his way in becoming the leader of this team. It takes more to be a leader than refusing to quit, although that is a big part of being a true leader.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

7 or more picks coming our way in 2010 so I am sure if Allen is really evaluating the team these last few games he will see we need a decent CB or two this coming offseason, but the O line is the priority, along with a QB for depth and/or a future starter. I think JC will stay the starting QB, but he might bolt on his own initiative after the way Snyder treated him. Thing is I am not sure that a lot of teams will take him in, other than maybe Oakland, TB, or KC. I don't think he is the leader folks make hiim out to be just because he didn't quit against the Gmen, but I think he is on his way in becoming the leader of this team. It takes more to be a leader than refusing to quit, although that is a big part of being a true leader.

I think right now we have a 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th.

[tryfuhl]

I think that some of our guys are young enough that they can still be coached up and they definitely need to put that work in during the offseason. However I wouldn't mind going the NE route and getting a guy towards the end of his career that isn't too expensive. If we draft we need to draft one early, we have enough project CBs, but I think that we have other glaring needs that need to be addressed early.

[Chico23231]

In the secondary, I think Free Safety should be looked at as a bigger need over CB. I think its time to put Laron at Strong and look at a vet at Free to compete with Moore. Laron play has induced its fair share of bitchin this year. Oline is far, far above the biggest need on this team. The other night was an absolute nightmare, and maybe the worst showing by our line this year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

In the secondary, I think Free Safety should be looked at as a bigger need over CB. I think its time to put Laron at Strong and look at a vet at Free to compete with Moore. Laron play has induced its fair share of bitchin this year. Oline is far, far above the biggest need on this team. The other night was an absolute nightmare, and maybe the worst showing by our line this year.

Obligatory Ryan Clark reference.

Clark and Hall at FS for us next year!

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I always read on this site about next year's QB and line needing to be worked out... which I agree with... Our offensive line is a MAJOR need...

but...

Isn't cornerback going to be just as big a need to address as OL in the offseason??

If Rogers goes, which he very likely will, we will have D Hall and who else?? Tryon?? Smoot?? Westbrook?? Those 3 aren't good enough to be trusted to play nickel, much less 2nd starter.

We need TWO corners who are step ups from those 3 for sure.

I'm thinking the team COULD surprise everyone and go with a guy like CB Joe Hayden out of Florida with the first pick in the draft and draft linemen with the rest. (I mean no one knows).

I'd rather get a corner through FA and draft line, line, line... but the point is we HAVE TO HAVE a starting CB in 2010 opposite D. Hall....

and I'm sure Bruce Allen knows this after he took copious notes on our pass defense (or lack-thereof) against the G-Men.


EDIT: I left out Kevin Barnes ... but considering he hasn't seen the field this year over Smoot or Tryon... ummm ... I have no clue what he can contribute

I have to disagree with your sentiments here. This does not mean that you do not have a legitimate argument. I just do not see things the same way that you do. First, I will start by saying that we have been pampered here in Washington with very good DB play though it may not always seem that way. Over the years 75-100% of our starting defensive backs were selected in the first round. Some games they have looked good and some days they have looked not so good, but it is rare that they absolutely look terrible or not so good on a consistent basis. Even this season we have been ranked first or near the top in pass defense.

As far as Rogers is concerned I would not be too worried if he leaves. At one point this season he was benched and we did not miss him. Tyon has really been comming on strong lately and Barnes is still in his first year. These guys will develop. As long as the pass rush stays like it is their should not be that much drop off in production.

I am not saying that we avoid taking DB's but there are much more glaring needs. I would even be so bold as to say that we have a bigger hole or need at Linebacker than we do in the secondary. The bottom line is that the team will never be 100% solid from top to bottom, but we can operate efficiently with what we have at DB, but it is obvious that we cannot with what we have on the offensive line.

[mlmdub130]

just think about what our d-line did for our cb's this year. we had the number one pass d in the nfl for a while and it sure as shit wasn't because of our secondary

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

just think about what our d-line did for our cb's this year. we had the number one pass d in the nfl for a while and it sure as shit wasn't because of our secondary

I do not think that you are giving the secondary the credit that they deserve. They have played lights out at times. Everyone just wants to focus on the double moves that went for big plays, but no one ever talks about the batted balls, coverage sacks, and balls jarred loose from punishing hits in the secondary.

I would venture to say that if our record was 10-4 that no one would be complaining about this secondary having the same stats. We would still be bitching however, that our QB was taking too many hits.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Angry

I do not think that you are giving the secondary the credit that they deserve. They have played lights out at times. Everyone just wants to focus on the double moves that went for big plays, but no one ever talks about the batted balls, coverage sacks, and balls jarred loose from punishing hits in the secondary.

I would venture to say that if our record was 10-4 that no one would be complaining about this secondary having the same stats. We would still be bitching however, that our QB was taking too many hits.

which is why we need to go o-line because we could have easily gone 10-4 and really should have considering our first 7 games or so, but didn't because our offense has shit the bed this year, mainly due to our line

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Angry

I do not think that you are giving the secondary the credit that they deserve. They have played lights out at times. Everyone just wants to focus on the double moves that went for big plays, but no one ever talks about the batted balls, coverage sacks, and balls jarred loose from punishing hits in the secondary.

I would venture to say that if our record was 10-4 that no one would be complaining about this secondary having the same stats. We would still be bitching however, that our QB was taking too many hits.

Was it against Matt Stafford or Matt Cassel we were playing lights out against?

The double moves have been the most glaring example of a greater problem: this is a zone coverage team that was never taught to play zone defense. Last year, during the 6-2 start, we were a man coverage team who would challenge receivers. We also faced some bad quarterbacks then, but rarely did we give up uncontested pass plays.

We haven't even competed in the secondary this year. The reason that no one ever talks about the batted balls, coverage sacks, and big hits is because they don't happen anymore.

[Hail to the Redskins]

I guess I am one of the only people on here that is completely NOT a Tryon fan. In my opinion, he is too undersized and plays with too poor of technique to make up for his above-average speed.

If a defense wanted to... they could go after and torch him all day...

I guess that where my thinking that CB is a big need comes from. Looks like many around here think of Tryon as having some quality...

I hope you all are right!! To me.... he'd be similar to Leigh Torrence (yeah I said it) as a starting CB.

[GTripp0012]

Ganther and Mason have played--er, run--well, but they also represent freely available talent. Whoever is the next coach will have his own Mason and Ganther, who aren't the same person, but do the exact same thing for the exact same cost. Rock, on the other hand, would need to have his special teams ability replaced, but his running ability is freely available.

[Hail to the Redskins]

I personally think Ganther could be a diamond in the rough kind of guy in a Shanahan running scheme... just like T. Davis, Portis, M. Anderson, O. Gary, R. Droughns, T. Bell, etc.

But yeah... the point is ... we DEFINITELY need a QUALITY cornerback FAR MORE than Running Back

And I guess another good question (possibly for another thread) is how much credit does Shanahan get for drafting those guys mentioned?

Clarett was an idiot, not a bad runner... and Henry was a traded for idiot. The question is... Isn't Shanahan damn good at evaluating RBs who fit his scheme?? (like I said... off-subject... but would make for an interesting debate)