ESPN's Schefter channels his energy into NFL

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think sometimes people think saying you need strong line play makes you a more intelligent fan, as if saying QB play is important is something only casual, even ignorant fans who don't know any better would say.

Line play is important but too many of us are really underestimating the importance of good QB play. A good QB can make an average line look much better than it really is.

I believe the opposite is true also, and much easier to occur.

Look at some of the aging lines in the NFL and how QB play has declined. The Patriots and Brady. The Seahawks and Hasselbeck has been horrible since Hutchinson went to Minnesota. How much better could Aarpn Rodgers be without being sacked 50 times? McNabb has looked outstanding at times in his career but can't stay on the field because he's hit more than almost any QB in the game sacked 357 times in his 11-year career, which keep in mind doesn't consist of many 16-game seasons.

I think a solid line is the most important part of the team and can really make a good QB a winner, or can limit a great QB's successes.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Buster

I believe the opposite is true also, and much easier to occur.

Look at some of the aging lines in the NFL and how QB play has declined. The Patriots and Brady. The Seahawks and Hasselbeck has been horrible since Hutchinson went to Minnesota. How much better could Aarpn Rodgers be without being sacked 50 times? McNabb has looked outstanding at times in his career but can't stay on the field because he's hit more than almost any QB in the game sacked 357 times in his 11-year career, which keep in mind doesn't consist of many 16-game seasons.

I think a solid line is the most important part of the team and can really make a good QB a winner, or can limit a great QB's successes.

Rodgers is a perfect example...they have a terrible OL and he still makes plays. The bad OL is turning into JC's crutch. IMO it's not one or the other...the redskins need improved play on the OL and at QB. I do believe with great OL play JC's play would improve but I do not think even his best play will be worth a commiting to him long term.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think sometimes people think saying you need strong line play makes you a more intelligent fan, as if saying QB play is important is something only casual, even ignorant fans who don't know any better would say.

Line play is important but too many of us are really underestimating the importance of good QB play. A good QB can make an average line look much better than it really is.

warner, big ben, rodgers, etc

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

^^ Not sure what Zero ment by that.

SO if there is not 4th overall pick talent in the draft at T then how about trading out of the pick and using it to stock pile picks. It just seems to me that it is easier to find OL players in the first couple of rounds then risking a high pick on a player that has about a 45% chance of working out.

It is always a crap shoot drafting anyone, but I seem to be nervous about drafting a QB high in the draft especially guys I don't really like. BUT I don;t run the team now do I .

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

^^ Not sure what Zero ment by that.

SO if there is not 4th overall pick talent in the draft at T then how about trading out of the pick and using it to stock pile picks. It just seems to me that it is easier to find OL players in the first couple of rounds then risking a high pick on a player that has about a 45% chance of working out.

It is always a crap shoot drafting anyone, but I seem to be nervous about drafting a QB high in the draft especially guys I don't really like. BUT I don;t run the team now do I .

Maybe you should. :thumb:

[SmootSmack]

Well yeah if we could trade down and add picks that'd be great. But suppose we couldn't and were "stuck" at 4

[tootergray34]

I think campbell is nothing more than a service QB at best...he won't win you any games...but that's just me...No way we draft high enought to get LOCKER next year anyways...damn.

[CultBrennan59]

Me being someone who doesn't like Jason Campbell, I believe that Shanahan actually should keep him and maybe draft a guy like Dan LeFevour in the 3rd round. I was a strong Bradford supporter, and kind of still am, but I learned that OU's offense is considered a spread offense that is very QB friendly. Mix that with the fact that he separated his shoulder on a hit which Campbell and other NFL QB's take daily, and I say this.
Trade Back,
Get Rolando McClain.(Cause it sounds like we may need a 3-4 MLB) And maybe a second rounder.
Get Charles Brown out of USC with the second rounder.
With the other second rounder get either Mike Iupati the guard from Idaho, or Terrance Cody from Alabama, OR Vladamir Duccesse the athletic Guard/tackle from UMass.

If you haven't seen McClain he's one of those prospects that come around very rarely that no matter you teams need, or if you have too many needs, you don't pass him up. Someone here said he could be the next Ray Lewis...they're not bluffing.

YouTube - Universal Draft Presents LB Rolando McClain of Alabama - Part 1 of 2

[Beemnseven]

I know this gets repeated often, but when everybody says "trade down" remember ... you have to have a partner willing to trade up. That doesn't always happen.

[mredskins]

Here is a question and I don't know how measurable it is. Lets say this draft class had Sanchez, Stafford, Bradford, and Clausen who would go first out of the 4?

Seems like every year there is some great QB coming out and then they fizzle.

Look at it this way when Lebron James came out he was a shore fire good pick, are any of these QBs that shore fire?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Here is a question and I don't know how measurable it is. Lets say this draft class had Sanchez, Stafford, Bradford, and Clausen who would go first out of the 4?

Seems like every year there is some great QB coming out and then they fizzle.

Look at it this way when Lebron James came out he was a shore fire good pick, are any of these QBs that shore fire?

I don't know that any QB is ever "sure fire" in the draft. Many questions surrounded even Peyton Manning as part of the draft process.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know that any QB is ever "sure fire" in the draft. Many questions surrounded even Peyton Manning as part of the draft process.

Yeah, many scouts, if not most, had Leaf rated higher for his arm strength. The last consensus #1 QB pick I can remember was MIchael Vick. Even if he hadn't gotten in legal trouble, I think people would still debate his status as a franchise qb. (he did help them sell a hell of a lot of tickets in ATL though)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Yeah, many scouts, if not most, had Leaf rated higher for his arm strength. The last consensus #1 QB pick I can remember was MIchael Vick. Even if he hadn't gotten in legal trouble, I think people would still debate his status as a franchise qb. (he did help them sell a hell of a lot of tickets in ATL though)

Funny thing is even with Vick the Chargers traded out of that pick

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Funny thing is even with Vick the Chargers traded out of that pick

yeah, they made up for drafting Leaf by doing that trade & getting LT/not getting vick.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Here is a question and I don't know how measurable it is. Lets say this draft class had Sanchez, Stafford, Bradford, and Clausen who would go first out of the 4?

Seems like every year there is some great QB coming out and then they fizzle.

Look at it this way when Lebron James came out he was a shore fire good pick, are any of these QBs that shore fire?

Thats called the media for you. They want people to watch the pre-draft shows, read pre-draft articles, etc. and anticipate the draft so they can get people to view more ads, etc. This is a very uninpressive QB class. even the media isn't overly excited about any of those guys, so that should tell us something. Not a one of them is worth a top 10 pick. but because of the premium put on the position, atleast 2 of them will probably be drafted there.

if there was ever a draft to trade down in, this is it. hopefully there will be an elite player at a position some team needs really bad and we can find a partner.