Lets make a deal

celts32 · 02-22-2005, 04:41 PM

I may be in the minority, because I know I am among many LC fans on this site. However, I think the LC signing was a mistake to begin with so if they can get out of it for only a 3-4 million dollar hit this year I will be okay with that. I don't really want to rehash the same old argument, but I just don't think LC is a #1 NFL WR. And I have just agreed to disagree with the Warpath LC fans...

diehardskin2982 · 02-22-2005, 04:59 PM

First, this was a shocker to everyone we weren't going to release coles until yesterday he was even mentioned as trade talk or as a cut, he was suppose to help ramsey mature as the #1 reciever. Secondly coles is good, he had a good year in NY and a two good years with us. Although he didn't score as much he led in receptions with a career high 90. That is why most in the media and the NFL are shocked by this occurance. Thirdly, not by any surcumstance do we HAVE TO LET COLES GO. He wants to leave, so did Ramsey when Brunnel was first brought in. So if it's in the skins best interest well release him, otherwise tuff luck bitch you still gota play for us. This is not a career where u get go to often he's still under contract!

Now with that said it not like we couldn't package a deal with both Coles and Gardner for someone big like Moss or Abraham. Open ur minds people we have NFL caliber stars, not high school scrubs!

Schneed10 · 02-22-2005, 07:36 PM

Cap Situation:

Scenario 1: If Coles is on our team in 2005, his cap hit in 2005 will be 3.357 million.

Scenario 2: If Coles is cut or traded (makes no difference which) before March 1, and he doesn't give back any of his bonus, his cap hit in 2005 will be 9.28 million.

Scenario 3: If Coles is cut or traded (makes no difference which) before March 1, and he gives back $5 million of his bonus, his cap hit in 2005 will be 4.285 million.

And if he is cut or traded before March 1, he will be totally cleared from our cap in 2006 and beyond.

I'm with Matty, I'd be happy with scenario 3, damage is minimal. I'm a realist, not many teams are in cap shape to take on a guy like Coles. The Cowboys are, but if we are talking a trade, there's no way we're sending him there. I think Coles is worth a first rounder as a player, he had 2 straight 1200 yard seasons, and last year he had 90 catches. He works hard and keeps a low profile during the season. Even though he's worth a lot talent-wise, I'd be surprised if we can get more than a 2nd rounder. A 3rd rounder is more realistic. But to tell you the truth, in today's NFL, we should be happy with just not getting hosed by a major cap hit. That is if you want to be a realist.

Schneed10 · 02-22-2005, 07:44 PM

And by the way, if he doesn't give back any of his bonus, I'd keep him and say tough shit, play out your contract. The Skins can't afford a 9.28 million hit this year.

Incidentally, you know what, I'll bet Coles would actually be glad he ended up staying if it worked out that way. Ramsey's QB rating was in the 80s in games he started, compared to Brunell's 63. The offense began to move the ball last year, and it can only get better from here as the coaches find the right way to use Portis, mix in Betts, lean on Cooley in the middle, and find ways to go deep which they've pledged to do.

I know it's LC's career and his call to make, but I think it's a mistake and doesn't make any rational sense.

Daseal · 02-22-2005, 07:57 PM

Schneed - how many times DURING the year did they pledge to go deep, or even worse say they DID go deep.

Funbunchfan · 02-22-2005, 08:25 PM

I like what the washington times reported about a trade involviing L.C. for abraham and possibly throw morton in to sweeten the deal. Then aquire derek mason and draft hopefully edwards.

Daseal · 02-22-2005, 08:26 PM

Well - if we keep him I think he'll play. Remember how bad Ty Law wanted out of NE?

Schneed10 · 02-22-2005, 08:36 PM

Daseal, going deep to me isn't the end-all be-all of this situation. If Coles' only motivation in all this is that he be used as a deep threat, then that's pathetic and I say good riddance. But I think it's more than that, and my point was just that the Skins offense was improving at the end of last year. And given how good the D was, I think things are looking up for them next season. If Coles is upset because he thinks the team is destined to lose, then ok I can understand wanting to leave (though I'd disagree with that). But if he just wants out because he wants to be a deep threat, and winning or losing isn't the issue, then good riddance, I'm glad he's leaving.

If the unhappiness doesn't have to do with wins and losses, cry me a f-ing river and take a hike. Bottom line is you play to win, not for a certain number of TD catches.

MTK · 02-22-2005, 09:38 PM

Well said once again, Schneed10

Daseal · 02-22-2005, 09:56 PM

I think he feels going deep can aleviate that problem some. The win/loss column would be effected by the deep ball a lot. Gives us the chance for a game-breaking play, it makes teams respect that ball, and it gives Clinton Portis more room and the occassional 1v1 matchup on a LB or DB that he is often able to exploit. He's not happy with the offense as a whole, and the deep ball is part of that. That's my guess.

We'll never truely know. Im just ready for the season to start.

02-22-2005, 04:59 PM	#2
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Lets make a deal First, this was a shocker to everyone we weren't going to release coles until yesterday he was even mentioned as trade talk or as a cut, he was suppose to help ramsey mature as the #1 reciever. Secondly coles is good, he had a good year in NY and a two good years with us. Although he didn't score as much he led in receptions with a career high 90. That is why most in the media and the NFL are shocked by this occurance. Thirdly, not by any surcumstance do we HAVE TO LET COLES GO. He wants to leave, so did Ramsey when Brunnel was first brought in. So if it's in the skins best interest well release him, otherwise tuff luck bitch you still gota play for us. This is not a career where u get go to often he's still under contract! Now with that said it not like we couldn't package a deal with both Coles and Gardner for someone big like Moss or Abraham. Open ur minds people we have NFL caliber stars, not high school scrubs! __________________ That got ugly fast

02-22-2005, 07:36 PM	#3
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Lets make a deal Cap Situation: Scenario 1: If Coles is on our team in 2005, his cap hit in 2005 will be 3.357 million. Scenario 2: If Coles is cut or traded (makes no difference which) before March 1, and he doesn't give back any of his bonus, his cap hit in 2005 will be 9.28 million. Scenario 3: If Coles is cut or traded (makes no difference which) before March 1, and he gives back $5 million of his bonus, his cap hit in 2005 will be 4.285 million. And if he is cut or traded before March 1, he will be totally cleared from our cap in 2006 and beyond. I'm with Matty, I'd be happy with scenario 3, damage is minimal. I'm a realist, not many teams are in cap shape to take on a guy like Coles. The Cowboys are, but if we are talking a trade, there's no way we're sending him there. I think Coles is worth a first rounder as a player, he had 2 straight 1200 yard seasons, and last year he had 90 catches. He works hard and keeps a low profile during the season. Even though he's worth a lot talent-wise, I'd be surprised if we can get more than a 2nd rounder. A 3rd rounder is more realistic. But to tell you the truth, in today's NFL, we should be happy with just not getting hosed by a major cap hit. That is if you want to be a realist.

02-22-2005, 07:44 PM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Lets make a deal And by the way, if he doesn't give back any of his bonus, I'd keep him and say tough shit, play out your contract. The Skins can't afford a 9.28 million hit this year. Incidentally, you know what, I'll bet Coles would actually be glad he ended up staying if it worked out that way. Ramsey's QB rating was in the 80s in games he started, compared to Brunell's 63. The offense began to move the ball last year, and it can only get better from here as the coaches find the right way to use Portis, mix in Betts, lean on Cooley in the middle, and find ways to go deep which they've pledged to do. I know it's LC's career and his call to make, but I think it's a mistake and doesn't make any rational sense.

02-22-2005, 07:57 PM	#5
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Lets make a deal Schneed - how many times DURING the year did they pledge to go deep, or even worse say they DID go deep.

02-22-2005, 08:25 PM	#6
Funbunchfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: connecticut Age: 61 Posts: 47	Re: Lets make a deal I like what the washington times reported about a trade involviing L.C. for abraham and possibly throw morton in to sweeten the deal. Then aquire derek mason and draft hopefully edwards.

02-22-2005, 04:41 PM	#1
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	Re: Lets make a deal I may be in the minority, because I know I am among many LC fans on this site. However, I think the LC signing was a mistake to begin with so if they can get out of it for only a 3-4 million dollar hit this year I will be okay with that. I don't really want to rehash the same old argument, but I just don't think LC is a #1 NFL WR. And I have just agreed to disagree with the Warpath LC fans...

02-22-2005, 08:26 PM	#7
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Lets make a deal Well - if we keep him I think he'll play. Remember how bad Ty Law wanted out of NE?

02-22-2005, 08:36 PM	#8
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Lets make a deal Daseal, going deep to me isn't the end-all be-all of this situation. If Coles' only motivation in all this is that he be used as a deep threat, then that's pathetic and I say good riddance. But I think it's more than that, and my point was just that the Skins offense was improving at the end of last year. And given how good the D was, I think things are looking up for them next season. If Coles is upset because he thinks the team is destined to lose, then ok I can understand wanting to leave (though I'd disagree with that). But if he just wants out because he wants to be a deep threat, and winning or losing isn't the issue, then good riddance, I'm glad he's leaving. If the unhappiness doesn't have to do with wins and losses, cry me a f-ing river and take a hike. Bottom line is you play to win, not for a certain number of TD catches.

02-22-2005, 09:38 PM	#9
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,043	Re: Lets make a deal Well said once again, Schneed10 __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-22-2005, 09:56 PM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Lets make a deal I think he feels going deep can aleviate that problem some. The win/loss column would be effected by the deep ball a lot. Gives us the chance for a game-breaking play, it makes teams respect that ball, and it gives Clinton Portis more room and the occassional 1v1 matchup on a LB or DB that he is often able to exploit. He's not happy with the offense as a whole, and the deep ball is part of that. That's my guess. We'll never truely know. Im just ready for the season to start.

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