Kurt Warner announces retirement after 12 seasons

[NYCskinfan82]

Seems like a good guy who had a very good career, enjoy retirement.

[BleedBurgundy]

Kurt Warner is a first ballot HOF'er. No argument.

[MTK]

Green and Bulger were both pretty good QBs in their own right.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Green and Bulger were both pretty good QBs in their own right.

Green had that window where he was doing some pretty good things without good recievers all around in KC, I admit, but he did have Holmes and Gonzales, but as far as deep threat...none so I will give you that.

Bulger was only great when he had the aforementioned Holt and Bruce in his arsenal. He has not been nearly the same without them or blocking for that matter.

[Zerohero]

You can't use circular logic here.

edit: You can't use circular logic anywhere.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

You can't use circular logic here.

edit: You can't use circular logic anywhere.

It's not circular logic, its called a "control" according to the scientific method.

Warner + Great WR's= Good Warner

Warner + OK WR's = Bad Warner (Control)

Warner + Great WR's= Good Warner

Hypothesis

Leinart + Great WR's = Good Leinart

Leinart + OK Wr's = Bad Leinart

[SolidSnake84]

Who could thrive without good receivers? Seriously...as a QB all you can do is throw the ball and trust your receivers to catch....if they can't do that, you are pretty much screwed. No QB is going to be successful on a team without good receivers.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Who could thrive without good receivers? Seriously...as a QB all you can do is throw the ball and trust your receivers to catch....if they can't do that, you are pretty much screwed. No QB is going to be successful on a team without good receivers.

Originally Posted by Angry

It just supports my theory that he can not thrive without good recievers around him. Players like Brady, Manning, Brees, and Favre are capable of making recievers look great. Players Like Palmer, Warner, Bulger, and others need a strong supporting cast.

Read! The bolded gentlemen are more than capable without great wide recievers and have proven it time and time again. Try looking at the list of guys who were nobody's until these QB's got their hands on them.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Angry

Read! The bolded gentlemen are more than capable without great wide recievers and have proven it time and time again. Try looking at the list of guys who were nobody's until these QB's got their hands on them.

You also have to look at who was throwing the ball to those WR's before the QB's you listed.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You also have to look at who was throwing the ball to those WR's before the QB's you listed.

Most of the guys I'm referring to were a bunch of college unknowns. You may be able to apply that logic to the Vikings this year, but almost all of the recievers that these guys have developed have been out of nowhere.

Brady is a special case also, they didn't decide to buy him some weapons (Moss and Welker) until he developed a few on his own. Patten, Branch, Brown and others. Then again where would Welker and Moss be right now without Brady?

[CultBrennan59]

One of the good guys is retiring today. I think he is no doubt a HOF but I don't know if he is a first ballot HOF.

[Mc2guy]

I don't like Kurt Warner as a religious prosthelytizer, but I love him as a quarterback.

He may be one of the last great throwing statues we see in this league, a guy who would stay in the pocket as long as it took for someone to get open, then release the ball in a flash, Dan Marino style. What made him so great is the guy could hit people in stride like non-other. If you look at his success, it has been with good receivers, yes, but he could place the ball where it would allow his receivers to get significant yards after the catch. Very few passes from Warner were off their mark.

If you recall, his off years in New York coincided with a serious thumb injury that kept him from gripping the ball well. It lead to his use of a glove on his throwing hand later in his career. I don't think those years should tarnish the career of a great passer. I think he is definitely HOF worthy. Will the voters put him in on the first ballot? Not sure, I guess it will depend on who he's up against (could be up against Favre, Jr. Seau, and Ed Reed if they really retire this year)

[53Fan]

I was surprised he retired but I don't blame him. He had a great career and has some gas left in the tank. Great QB, class human being. Enjoy life as always Kurt. Thanks for some awesome memories. :thumb:

[freddyg12]

Congrats to a great player & person! I really am surprised & thought he could give it one more shot w/the cards. Maybe he'll announce that he's coming back just as Farve announces he'll retire again?!

Schefter threw out the idea of the Cards trying to nab McNabb in a deal since he has a home in ARizona.

[Zerohero]

I was wrong earlier, it was one year with Giants. Was injured most of time and was still 5-4 when they decided to go with Eli. The reason i said circular logic because you also say later how some recievers were only good when they got certain Qbs. So qbs are only good because wrs,then wrs only good because of qbs.

He basically resurrected(no pun intended) two franchises and took both to Super Bowls. Not to mention he has passing records and a long career. Great winning percentage. Does he need to go to the Lions and win a superbowl to impress you? Nevermind they have good receivers that wouldn't count.