ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

For all his starting experience you'd think he'd have even a little pocket presence and feel for the position but he doesnt. I agrre that he could be a decent back up but he's not a starter that will take a team anywhere.

Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Hes actully worth a first rounder and possibly better than Sam Bradford. He has the quickest zip and good throwing motion along with his mobility in the pocket for a Shanahan type of offense.

3-year WCO type of QB(All pro offense)- and a film rat type of guy. He could very we'll be the guy for our pick with his mobility .

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

b/c of what ive seen of him, reading scouting and expert reports, his 20+ tds last year compared to his 4 ints (one of which was a hail mary, another wasnt his fault), his ability to read defenses, his understanding of a pro style offense, etc.

im gonna guess that you dont like clausen, never really gave him an objective evaluation or even evaluated him on your own at all but am just making an uninformed opinion. since mcshay says hes second round you think hes second round?

when people say so-n-so is going to be an unequivocal bust before the combine, draft and actually having that player play a year or two; it really brings into quesiton how that person can come to such an absolute opinion with so little to go by except gut instinct.

like SS asked, why do you think he is a decent 2nd round pick? (itd be a cop out if you just recite what mcshay thinks but that is your right)

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

b/c of what ive seen of him, reading scouting and expert reports, his 20+ tds last year compared to his 4 ints (one of which was a hail mary, another wasnt his fault), his ability to read defenses, his understanding of a pro style offense, etc.

im gonna guess that you dont like clausen, never really gave him an objective evaluation or even evaluated him on your own at all but am just making an uninformed opinion. since maylock says hes second round you think hes second round?

when people say so-n-so is going to be an unequivocal bust before the combine, draft and actually having that player play a year or two; it really brings into quesiton how that person can come to such an absolute opinion with so little to go by except gut instinct.

like SS asked, why do you think he is a decent 2nd round pick? (itd be a cop out if you just recite what maylock thinks but that is your right)

I agree. Only reason people wouldn't want Clausen is manly these two reasons.


-A ND QB(Clausen probably the best QB coming into the draft for a decade) but since he's from ND he's suppose to be a bust....

-He looks ugly and rumor saids hes gay. So basically fans don't want him for this either.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by redskins202

I agree. Only reason people wouldn't want Clausen is manly these two reasons.


-A ND QB(Clausen probably the best QB coming into the draft for a decade) but since he's from ND he's suppose to be a bust....

-He looks ugly and rumor saids hes gay. So basically fans don't want him for this either.

Flacco's ugly but that doesn't mean I don't want him as a QB. This makes no sense to draft a QB on best looking. And where have you heard that he's gay? The only I've heard about clausen is that he's a trash talker and got into a few bar fights at ND, one of them giving him a black eye.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

Agreed that McShay is wrong on Clausen. It's not preposterous to grade him as a second rounder, at least no more preposterous than grading him as a top five type, but he compares favorably (IMO) to Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman from a year ago, and Stafford and Sanchez both had top half of the round grades from McShay.

Taking him at four...probably a bit of a stretch. But in the Dirtbag trademarked Bradford-Okung-Suh scenario, Clausen isn't really more of a reach than Bulaga or CJ Spiller as need players. It would be justifiable if Bradford and Okung and Suh were gone, although the BPA principle would likely suggest that the best players are on defense.

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

strong stuff...stats rarely lie

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Here's another link for you:

Mel Kiper: Jimmy Clausen jumps inside the top 5 in the pre-combine mock - ESPN

You and McShay are in the minority on this one.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

But honestly I don't see Bradford as bringing much more to the table than Clausen. Bradford has pocket presence and decent accuracy, but his weak arm will hold him back in this league. I don't understand how people are comparing him to Brees and Rivers. Please...! Both of those guys can throw a 25 yard bullet and air it out for 60 yards. Video of Bradford shows even his short passes w/ a wobbly arc.

...anyway I think either QB at 4 is a terrible decision. I trust Shanny and Allen know this. They wait another year to draft a QB or find a gem somewhere else in the league.

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

I actually agree . I think any other year Clausen would be a mid round pick he is bolstered by being the starter in for three years in an improving program . His numbers are really not that impressive look at what is said about him in this scouting report

"Clausen started nine games in 2007, throwing for 1,254 yards with a 56.3 completition percentage (138-245) and a 7-6 touchdown-interception ratio. The numbers are not mind-boggling, but put them with a visibly weak offensive line, a lackluster running attack and almost no speed outside, and they are a testament to his ability. Clausen had a breakthrough sophomore campaign in 2008, when he passed for 3,172 yards, completing 60.9% (268-440) of his passes with an impressive 25-17 TD/INT ratio. He threw for 3,722 yards with 28 TDs and only 4 interceptions this past year to solidify his status as one of the best signal callers in the country."

Jimmy Clausen Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect

In collage terms that is mediocre accuracy . The 28-4 TDs is good but I question how much that is the team and how much that is Clausen...

What concerns me more is the various reports about his attitude . I think it may be overblown but I think attitude is the one thing that stops NFL player reaching their potential . Cutlers Child like mentality lost Shanahan his job when Cutler broke apart the locker room, he subsequently managed to damage his own career by being traded to an inferior team because he cried about Josh McDaniel's looking ( but not putting in a trade request or making significant esquires) at other QBs .

The biggest bone of contention publically revolves around when he started his college career with an announcement at the College Hall of Fame where he arrived in a limo and wearing a handful of high school championship rings, wants to clear up any and all concerns that he might be an arrogant prima donna of a quarterback whose attitude is incompatible with the NFL's subdued corporate identity, locktight PR protocols, and demanding workload.

Other have said he has an abrasive attitude and really doesn't have that top tier WOW talent that makes you over look it . I could see Clausen becoming like a Jay Shcroder mk 2.0 or worse a Jay Cutler or Jeff Geroge . The guy he most reminds me of is Chris Simms .

That said I am not a NFL talent evaluator and if the Redskins FO see something in him and take him 4th overall then I will give the guy a chance but if we pass on him then I am not going to be supprized or upset .

[tryfuhl]

We all saw that last year.

[SolidSnake84]

I've heard the gay rumors about Clausen for a long time now...

Anyway, about JC's passer rating, keep in mind that so many of his throws are screens and little dunk offs....Brunell had a high passer rating in 2006, and he apparantley "sucked"....so take that into consideration.

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I've heard the gay rumors about Clausen for a long time now...

So are you saying he will be better under center than Bradford? just askin.

[T.O.Killa]

I think he is wrong. If the Redskins tender him like that it would simply be out of respect. They can give him a low level tender and still get a first(must give original pick). Mid level tender would give us a second, which would be good value for Jason.