How About Jermon Bushrod for a Second Rounder

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I know I read it here somewhere but not sure who posted it from where.... but the article pretty much pointed out that M.Shanahan has had great success building his 1st ranked offensive lines through mid round draft choices. Perhaps it was the scheme, I don't know or the OL coach, but hopefully he can continue to do this. I'd say pass on throwing away a draft pick and usually I'm the one saying lets get him cause he's a proven player. Plus I think he came out of King George VA. if its the same LT I'm thinking of. He did have trouble with Ware but that could be solved with a couple of chip blocks by the RB or Ware getting beat when he makes that rush.

After having the piece of shit line we had in '09 and '08, I don't want to depend on JUST this to build the offensive line. Our franchise tackle (whom we picked up in the first round) is retiring, Randy Thomas should retire, Heyer is serviceable (although some people have a more negative opinion about him), and honestly, I don't know what to make of Rabach. The team seems to be ok with him, but I'm not sold on him.

Picking up a LT in the top 10 of the draft is not throwing a pick away. Many football pundits typically put QB and LT as 1a and 1b in the positions that a team should pick in the top 10/top 5. I know all won't be lost if we pick up a QB at #4, but also all won't be lost if we pick up a franchise tackle at #4 as well.

I know that a team should consider a QB if there's a special talent and having the opportunity to take a franchise QB. But to me, it is not like Jason Campbell was putting up JaMarcus Russell's numbers last season (and NO, I'm not making an argument for Campbell so calm down JC haters). However, our offensive line was the JaMarcus Russell of offensive lines.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

After having the piece of shit line we had in '09 and '08, I don't want to depend on JUST this to build the offensive line. Our franchise tackle (whom we picked up in the first round) is retiring, Randy Thomas should retire, Heyer is serviceable (although some people have a more negative opinion about him), and honestly, I don't know what to make of Rabach. The team seems to be ok with him, but I'm not sold on him.

Picking up a LT in the top 10 of the draft is not throwing a pick away. Many football pundits typically put QB and LT as 1a and 1b in the positions that a team should pick in the top 10/top 5. I know all won't be lost if we pick up a QB at #4, but also all won't be lost if we pick up a franchise tackle at #4 as well.

I know that a team should consider a QB if there's a special talent and having the opportunity to take a franchise QB. But to me, it is not like Jason Campbell was putting up JaMarcus Russell's numbers last season (and NO, I'm not making an argument for Campbell so calm down JC haters). However, our offensive line was the JaMarcus Russell of offensive lines.

I look at it this way.... Honestly Samuels is retiring, R.Thomas should be retiring (due to injury), Rabach is not a Center I want to rely on this coming year since he has not done very well since he's been here. He gets bowled over all the time. So we truly need a whole new OL. Keep in mind we can't do it all in one year. So some players will have to be FA and some will have to be mid to late rounders or settle with what we already have. If we are settling with Rabach this coming year, and hopefully the young guys we picked up the last two years look good as Guards then we basically need a LT and RT. If we can pick up just one in FA we can pick up the other in the draft. Then bring in a whole mess of late round or UFA OL.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I look at it this way.... Honestly Samuels is retiring, R.Thomas should be retiring (due to injury), Rabach is not a Center I want to rely on this coming year since he has not done very well since he's been here. He gets bowled over all the time. So we truly need a whole new OL.

LEAVE RABACH ALONE!!!!!!!!!

I also want to take this time though to point out that if you don't like the idea of our lineman getting "bowled" over then prepare to hate most of our line. Shanahan loves the quick athletic types, but they work much better in the zone blocking scheme. Rabach did admirable in a power blocking scheme now he's going to a scheme thats tailor made for him. Prepare to love Rabach again like it's 2005.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Not anymore... now PFT is reporting that if the draft was tomorrow the Rams would pick McCoy.

Report: Rams would take McCoy, if draft were held now | ProFootballTalk.com

Wait doesn't that make us lucky. Oh well guess I'll have to read the article.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I look at it this way.... Honestly Samuels is retiring, R.Thomas should be retiring (due to injury), Rabach is not a Center I want to rely on this coming year since he has not done very well since he's been here. He gets bowled over all the time. So we truly need a whole new OL. Keep in mind we can't do it all in one year. So some players will have to be FA and some will have to be mid to late rounders or settle with what we already have. If we are settling with Rabach this coming year, and hopefully the young guys we picked up the last two years look good as Guards then we basically need a LT and RT. If we can pick up just one in FA we can pick up the other in the draft. Then bring in a whole mess of late round or UFA OL.

I'm just not sold in the talent at UFA at the tackle position. I mean, you can bring Tony Pashos, but I feel that we'd be patching up an important line position with an old guy. Once again, I get the whole "franchise QB" argument, I'm just not sold on this being a greater need than getting a franchise tackle.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm just not sold in the talent at UFA at the tackle position. I mean, you can bring Tony Pashos, but I feel that we'd be patching up an important line position with an old guy. Once again, I get the whole "franchise QB" argument, I'm just not sold on this being a greater need than getting a franchise tackle.

If you're just looking at 2010 then a franchise tackle makes much more sense then a potential franchise QB. However when you look at 2010 onward the franchise QB makes so much sense it's not even funny. You think the Falcons and Thomas Dimitroff are loosing any sleep over the fact that they selected Ryan over Dorsey with their O-Line was in shambles?

[over the mountain]

the next tom brady, peyton manning or drew brees may be available.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the next tom brady, peyton manning or drew brees may be available.

or the next Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch. However, my point is that Bradford or Clausen are not going to make our o-line look good immediately.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

or the next Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf or Tim Couch. However, my point is that Bradford or Clausen are not going to make our o-line look good immediately.

i hear ya buddy but nobody is going to immediatley make our o line look good. not JC, not bradford, not clausen, not okung.

have we reached a deal with rabach? if not, he hits the FA wire in about 34 hours.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i hear ya buddy but nobody is going to immediatley make our o line look good. not JC, not bradford, not clausen, not okung.

have we reached a deal with rabach? if not, he hits the FA wire in about 34 hours.

Would be shocked if we reach a deal with Rabach, especially before FA hits

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the next tom brady, peyton manning or drew brees may be available.

This. We will be extremely lucky if we can pick Bradford at 4 without trading any picks.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

This. We will be extremely lucky if we can pick Bradford at 4 without trading any picks.

Not anymore... now PFT is reporting that if the draft was tomorrow the Rams would pick McCoy.

Report: Rams would take McCoy, if draft were held now | ProFootballTalk.com

[NYCskinfan82]

No keep all our picks & if possible don't trade next years picks if possible.

[GTripp0012]

I think it's really interesting that we had this thread on the day that Heyer got a second round tender, because Bushrod is basically their Heyer. It suggests that this is the new going rate for a tackle.

But since I don't think anyone is lining up to offer us a second for Heyer, I'm not thinking we should return the favor.

[T.O.Killa]

well if he is there Heyer they can keep him.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

well if he is there Heyer they can keep him.

What??