Ravens get Boldin

[SirClintonPortis]

No, they aren't. Jason Campbell is many times worse than Flacco despite their similar stats.

Stats that take into account factors not accounted in the regular stats, such as those by Football Outsiders, are better indicator, imo, even though the team factor in influence the stat is not completely accounted for; they don't say everything about a QB's play either, but they're more "complete".
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2009

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Stats that take into account factors not accounted in the regular stats,

my head just exploded.

[MTK]

Flacco has had a much better cast around him, that counts for quite a bit.

[GTripp0012]

Flacco's production this year was heavily weighted to the earlier part of the season. He was one of the top five or six rated quarterbacks through about seven weeks, and provided basically no value after that.

Trent Edwards' 2008 VOA was pretty much the same deal. Excellent for the first six games, worthless after that.

I think Flacco has more job security than Edwards did because of his draft status, but 2010 is a critical year for him to produce. He's had his team in the playoffs in consecutive years, but it's likely in the future that the defense will be unable to carry the team. If Flacco can carry the team, he'll be firmly entrenched as a franchise QB, based on his prior successes. But it's just as likely that the Ravens could be looking for a replacement in 2011.

[GTripp0012]

But yes, Flacco's 09 was a better season than Campbell's 09 in a vacuum. Which is what the FO stats are saying. Not that Campbell was supposed to do any better without being able to set his feet than Flacco could with a cushy pocket (they both had crappy receivers--but Todd Heap's reemergence was the difference).

[Mechanix544]

Just wondering, would it be unheard of to move Thomas into the #1 spot and have moss slide over to the #2 and Kelly brings up the slot? Would that be possible, or is santanas ego too big to move on over? I just dont think santana is really a prototypical #1 receiver, and Thomas fits that mold better than him. Give him a season and see if he can work hisself into a quality starter, or just slide Santana back to #1 when it looks like it aint happening. I mean, we already know what we have with moss, and its borderline #1 material. Lets lean on these young guys, and give them their definitive "shot".

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Just wondering, would it be unheard of to move Thomas into the #1 spot and have moss slide over to the #2 and Kelly brings up the slot? Would that be possible, or is santanas ego too big to move on over? I just dont think santana is really a prototypical #1 receiver, and Thomas fits that mold better than him. Give him a season and see if he can work hisself into a quality starter, or just slide Santana back to #1 when it looks like it aint happening. I mean, we already know what we have with moss, and its borderline #1 material. Lets lean on these young guys, and give them their definitive "shot".

Actually, I believe Moss would be best suited for the slot, but DT should be our #1 no matter where anyone else lines up.

Hopefully ARE's departure means Marko sees the field a lot more.

[over the mountain]

nice job by ozzie. he wanted him last year but didnt want to put up a 1st rounder or the rumored 2nd rounder after no one bit on the 1st rounder.


while a wr like boldin could have been the difference for them last year in the playoffs, better late than never.

on flacco, i wasnt to high on him too and thought the ravens fans were to quick to annoint him as the next johnny u.

flacco has great pocket awareness, makes some nice reads and for the most part is accurate, when needed he can fit the ball into a tight window. he is being groomed nicely by the ravens franchise.

that ravens franchise just keeps chuggin away, adding pieces and not overpaying to keep players. when a raven player or coach leaves, his replacement is usually in-house ready to take over with lil drop off.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

nice job by ozzie. he wanted him last year but didnt want to put up a 1st rounder or the rumored 2nd rounder after no one bit on the 1st rounder.


while a wr like boldin could have been the difference for them last year in the playoffs, better late than never.

on flacco, i wasnt to high on him too and thought the ravens fans were to quick to annoint him as the next johnny u.

flacco has great pocket awareness, makes some nice reads and for the most part is accurate, when needed he can fit the ball into a tight window. he is being groomed nicely by the ravens franchise.

that ravens franchise just keeps chuggin away, adding pieces and not overpaying to keep players. when a raven player or coach leaves, his replacement is usually in-house ready to take over with lil drop off.

They better get some Lombardis while Reed and Lewis are still there. I bet Reed will play one more year, 2 tops. Ray Lewis...who knows, he doesn't look like he'll ever slow down. But, they'll never replace that tandem.

[over the mountain]

yup, my thought as well. the ravens have heavily drafted on the offensive side of the ball with their early picks lately while relying on ozzie's guile and relative health of ray lewis, ed reed, terrel suggs, n'agata to hold down their D.

guys like ray lewis and ed reed dont come around very often. im not sure if reed is even gonna come back, the guy plays through alot of pain now a days.

once lewis and reed are gone, i just dont see the ravens being continual contenders ('07 excluded).