47% Will Pay No Federal Income Tax

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah people try to switch up arguements, but when it comes down to the basic principle of are you keeping more of your money vs is the government keeping more of it, most republicans I know identify former idea. I think the switch up of arguements is do to the fact who is in the office of the President or controlling congress at the time. Im sure if these tax breaks were during Bush's time in office, this thread would be started celebrating this fact.

That's why politicals discussions are just such horsesh*t these days. People are so polarized and not will to give credit when due or admitt when their side is wrong...its really quite funny.

That my friend is the truth.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I don't always agree with people like CRedskins, GMscud, and FRPLG, but at the end of the day I do respect their ability to cogently present and argue their respective positions. But Firstdown, you are just a headscratcher. 　You are against tax-cuts now? I really question whether you even understand your own political philosophy.

It depends who's extending the cuts.

And there's no way that it can be argued that someone would be opposed because of our spending, because we've been throwing money around for years now.

[firstdown]

Guy's I'm not against the poor getting a tax break they always have and always will. The problem is that half of the people in the US now pay no federal taxes at all and over a 1/4 get refunds and they pay nothing to start with. There is a problem with this and its keeps getting worse. How the hell are we going to pay for Obama care, SS, medicare, etc... you know all these failing social programs the left loves so much. Maybe we sould do away with them and cut taxes even more and that fine by me. If your going to support these programs like the left does then you have to make everyone pay for them. I'm all for helping out people down on their luck but I'm guessing 30% of these people are just lazy asses and never pay into the system which is what I have a problem with.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Guy's I'm not against the poor getting a tax break they always have and always will. The problem is that half of the people in the US now pay no federal taxes at all and over a 1/4 get refunds and they pay nothing to start with. There is a problem with this and its keeps getting worse. How the hell are we going to pay for Obama care, SS, medicare, etc... you know all these failing social programs the left loves so much. Maybe we sould do away with them and cut taxes even more and that fine by me. If your going to support these programs like the left does then you have to make everyone pay for them. I'm all for helping out people down on their luck but I'm guessing 30% of these people are just lazy asses and never pay into the system which is what I have a problem with.

What about all teh social programs the right loves using tax payer money?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

What about all teh social programs the right loves using tax payer money?

What Right are you talking about?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

What about all teh social programs the right loves using tax payer money?

Can you be more specific about which social programs are you referring to?

[Schneed10]

First off, this thread is retarded. Not because of the topic, but because of the mostly inane discussion that has ensued. There are some good points scattered but by and large, most of these posts are drivel.

I think I can wrap up firstdown's feelings pretty succinctly. He's in favor of lower taxes, but still thinks everyone should pay their fair share of those lower taxes.

In other words, he'd be more in favor of a flat tax, while keeping taxes relatively low.

I don't think for a second he's doing the math on that, but those are his feelings. Firstdown, go back to high school and take some expository writing classes. For Christ's sakes, you write like a child.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

First off, this thread is retarded. Not because of the topic, but because of the mostly inane discussion that has ensued. There are some good points scattered but by and large, most of these posts are drivel.
[B]I think I can wrap up firstdown's feelings pretty succinctly. He's in favor of lower taxes, but still thinks everyone should pay their fair share of those lower taxes.
In other words, he'd be more in favor of a flat tax, while keeping taxes relatively low.
I don't think for a second he's doing the math on that, but those are his feelings. Firstdown, go back to high school and take some expository writing classes. For Christ's sakes, you write like a child.

Yup. And quite frankly, I just don't know that a flat tax would work or what percentage would be necessary to fund even a stripped down government. I would suggest that a straight flat tax with no gradation for income would simply be insufficient to fund such a government OR be so brutal (hand over 40% of your gross income) as to unpassable.

Mind, you I don't necessarily oppose the thought of a flat tax. Just wondering how it would look in real numbers.

[dmek25]

if he took some of those classes, what would be talk about?

[joethiesmanfan]

Not the conservatives but the facists.

[JoeRedskin]

Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)

government lawyers tearing down the little people.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

government lawyers tearing down the little people.

Considering all the govt. lawyers out there that's just pure democracy - majority rule.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Maybe I missed it, how are you defining "fascists"? (That question is for both Trample and Joethiesmanfan)

It is how they define themselves, by they're actions, not what they tell you. No one is going to say they're fascist these days because of the association with WWII.

Fascism is the take over of industry by the state or vice versa. It is a left wing take over of industry or vice versa. Government and industry become one and are controlled by an oligarchy. Most of the time the General Staff puts up one of their own as the front man, Kadafi, Akma-dingle-berry, Mussolini, Franco, Hitler.

I would refine my classification as this:

Democrats = Communist (because they're international)

Republicans = Fascist (some of them still appear to have some loyalty to the US, but they're still socialist)

Democrats and liberals say that the Republicans and "so-called" conservatives are right wingers. There is a shred of truth in this. They are to the right of them, but they're still on the progressive wing of politics because of their socialist leanings. Examples: Jorge W Bush, Juan McShame.

I don't understand how anyone still believes in this Kabuki Theater? They're all socialist. Politics is nothing more than a soap opera for ugly people, WWF without beer.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

It is how they define themselves, by they're actions, not what they tell you. No one is going to say they're fascist these days because of the association with WWII.

Fascism is the take over of industry by the state or vice versa. It is a left wing take over of industry or vice versa. Government and industry become one and are controlled by an oligarchy. Most of the time the General Staff puts up one of their own as the front man, Kadafi, Akma-dingle-berry, Mussolini, Franco, Hitler.

I would refine my classification as this:

Democrats = Communist (because they're international)

Republicans = Fascist (some of them still appear to have some loyalty to the US, but they're still socialist)

Democrats and liberals say that the Republicans and "so-called" conservatives are right wingers. There is a shred of truth in this. They are to the right of them, but they're still on the progressive wing of politics because of their socialist leanings. Examples: Jorge W Bush, Juan McShame.

I don't understand how anyone still believes in this Kabuki Theater? They're all socialist. Politics is nothing more than a soap opera for ugly people, WWF without beer.

You need to be sent to a re-education camp.