building for a superbowl?

[Son Of Man]

I do nt think taht it is far fetched to have our team buliy as a perennial contender within the next 2-3 years. Having an established QB will help us accelerate the learning curve for our young receivers, OL (the one's we will be drafting), and our heir apparent at QB(?).

[skinsfaninok]

I honestly don't remember being this EXCITED before any season in a long time. The move to get McNabb was amazing on our part.. The guy is still a top 10 QB and is Hungry to win a SB.

[SBXVII]

Skinster, I don't mean to be a jerk but that was a long arse rant.

I can't say I honestly read the whole thing but from other peoples answers I'm agreeing with them.

#1- Be happy knowing Cerrato is out.
#2- We have an awsome GM now or atleast an upgrade.
#3- We have a boni fide HC again.

Shanahan alwasy has had one of the top offenses in the league if not the #1. We will be good soon enough. No different then Gibbs but Gibbs problem was he had too many cooks and everyone had a different phylosophy. Shanahan has been allowed to bring in a GM he likes or the GM has been allowed to bring in a HC he likes not sure which came first other then to say Allen was hired first. All the coach's will be on the same page.

My only issue now is defense. I'm not sold on Haslett. He has not done anything special. Now Haslett has talented players. He takes over a defense that was top 5. I'm expecting a drop off because of a new scheme but it needs to return quickly.

Are we SB contenders? Hell I've been in rebuild mode up until we picked up McNabb. Now it looks like they think they could make a run at the playoffs or more. They know better then me but I'd still prefer rebuild. You can't get rid of all the aged players in one yr and fix this mess. So if they each yr pick up younger talent to start taking over then I'm fine with their idea of rebuild.

[SBXVII]

Paintrain I agree with you on the whole not throwing away all our impact players for picks only to have the ones left get injured and we have no depth.

but do we need 2 pass catching TE's. It has been reported that Shanahan only utilized 1 pass catching and 1 blocking TE. It might be interesting to see how they are utilized though.

Same with Landry. We have Landry who I believe is an awsome SS but not that great at FS. but we also have Doughty, and Horton. Doughty is just as good at SS and Horton might be even better. We could afford to trade one. I would have said Doughty but his name is not flashy so we won't get great value like we would have to Landry.

Then there is the issue of Carter. If he's on page to give it a try then good. But if he's not the proto typical LB/DE in this scheme we might as well trade him for mid round picks.

QB is another position. I feel like Tampa now. We have:

McNabb
Campbell
Grossman
Brennan
Bartel

Bartel is probably a non issue. He's fodder unless he shines for some reason. K.Shanahan has mentioned he likes Colt but what OC is going to say "na I don't like him" if he's on their team? Hopefully we can get decent value for JC. Maybe get our second rounder back. That would leave:

McNabb and Grossman, who have both been to a SB and lost. Both are eager to win.
Brennan, who might turn out to be great in this system.
Bartel, who is simply camp fodder.

[RememberRFK]

I think we are expecting more of the same. Not true! My expectations are low and mental defenses are high. Kind of like the first year Tom Brady took over in N.E. What do think of that!?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Paintrain I agree with you on the whole not throwing away all our impact players for picks only to have the ones left get injured and we have no depth.

but do we need 2 pass catching TE's. It has been reported that Shanahan only utilized 1 pass catching and 1 blocking TE. It might be interesting to see how they are utilized though.

Same with Landry. We have Landry who I believe is an awsome SS but not that great at FS. but we also have Doughty, and Horton. Doughty is just as good at SS and Horton might be even better. We could afford to trade one. I would have said Doughty but his name is not flashy so we won't get great value like we would have to Landry.

Then there is the issue of Carter. If he's on page to give it a try then good. But if he's not the proto typical LB/DE in this scheme we might as well trade him for mid round picks.

QB is another position. I feel like Tampa now. We have:

McNabb
Campbell
Grossman
Brennan
Bartel

Bartel is probably a non issue. He's fodder unless he shines for some reason. K.Shanahan has mentioned he likes Colt but what OC is going to say "na I don't like him" if he's on their team? Hopefully we can get decent value for JC. Maybe get our second rounder back. That would leave:

McNabb and Grossman, who have both been to a SB and lost. Both are eager to win.
Brennan, who might turn out to be great in this system.
Bartel, who is simply camp fodder.

I'd rather see what Shanny does with 2 pass catching TE before saying that he can't utilize both of them. If we move anyone young, I'd be more ok with Landry just because he hasn't lived up to his promise and appears to be a faster Roy Williams with the same coverage and tackling angle liabilities but without the impact plays. Carter is a bad fit so if we can get a 3rd for him I'd be fine with that as well, Chris Wilson can fill his LB role.

The QB situation will work itself out. The only way we get a 2nd for Campbell is if there is a late run at the end of the 1st for QB (Clausen, Tebow, McCoy) and some team like the Bills is stuck without someone who holds that round value. Other than that, we're lucky to get a high 4th for him.

[tootergray34]

I see us making a few trades on draft day to get some of those picks back...but only time will tell. Regardless of how you feel about the McNabb trade ( I like it ) we do still need to get younger across the entire team. I think that's something we all can agree on. But I believe in Shanaman's logic and I think he will be good for us...eventually I believe he will hand over the reigns to his son...kyyyyyllllleeeeeeeeeeeeee to take over.

[skinsnut]

I will say no way.
But it is insane to say untill we see how the team performs in the preseason...most say preseason doesn't predict the future....but it sure does if you take a look at how the first team performed....last year I had high hopes too...until I saw the preseason, they looked worse...I predicted 6-10 when everyone else was the typical 9-7 area.
Lets wait until we see live bullets....but to suggest one player and a new coaching staff can take a team from 4-12 in a year is crazy....if it happened, it would be one of the most incredible feats in NFL history.

Without seeing the team play...I am hoping for a .500 team. Playoffs will have to wait until next year...but I will hold out any guess until after game 3 of preseason.

You guys have got to stop drinking the kool aid!

[Redskins8588]

Oh, ask Oakland how there young talent at QB is developing...

[SirClintonPortis]

There is no need to slam the reset button with the current roster and "blow it up". Unless you can tell me that there will certainly be an Alexander Ovechkin at any position in the future drafts, the current strategy works better than the "BLOW IT UP!!!!" method. Fill up the roster with still-effective yet expendable and CHEAP veteran stopgaps while infusing talent via the draft in the future. McNabb makes sense because one, he's a scheme-fit, two, he's got experience in the WCO, and three, he's not done just yet.

[jdc65]

I absolutely believe we are on the right track. I think it is very possible to make the playoffs this year, and win a Super Bowl in 3 years. Now admittedly, I am counting on McNabb and Portis/Johnson/Parker to elevate everyone around them. But our receiving corps could be one of the league's best with Shanahan and McNabb. Our defense is still solid, and we have enough vets who should be hungry for success to buy-in to the program and exceed expectations. I feel confident they will address the remaining holes, and have a strong team in 2010 and beyond.

[tryfuhl]

Of course we're building for a Super Bowl, maybe not this year, but in the near future.

[redskinjim]

we will be much better off under shanahan next year. look at the saints last year good offense lucky but still average defense great coaching=super bowl

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinster

I have a question for everyone on this site, "What direction do you think we are headed in? Do you think we will have the pieces to win the super bowl in the next few years?'
My personal answer to that question is no way in hell. I feel like we are building our team to compete for the playoffs, not the superbowl. We simply have too many holes, and more will develop as our already old team gets even older. We do not have enough ammo to fill those holes in the next few years with our limited amount of draft picks. I guess this whole thread is really a reaction to the McNabb trade. I feel that you should only trade the number 35 overall pick and a third rounder for a 34 year old veteran when that 34 year old veteran will be the missing piece to your superbowl run. I do not believe we are close to a superbowl run, and trading away such keys to our future is ludicrous in my mind. Will McNabb significantly improve our team over the next few years? Yes without a doubt. But we simply do not have the pieces to make a run for the superbowl in the near future, and I feel like trading away future young talent is also trading away the chances of a superbowl for an even longer time. As excited as I am to see our teams improvement next year, I still strongly disapprove of our mentality of trading away the potential for future greatness to remain in mediocrity in the present.

And on a separate note, the eagles I feel made a brilliant move by trading within the division. Their key players are all young, Kolb, Jackson, Maclin, Celic, McCoy. I feel like they are looking toward the future in that trade because they know the trade will cripple us in the long run, while their young talent has time to develop, and they will bring in even more young talent. I do not feel like the Eagles care as much as this season as they do the a few seasons down the road. They know they do not currently have the pieces to truly make a superbowl run, and are trying to assemble the pieces to make one in the future. (I know I will hear alot of disagreement on this thought)

Last thing I wanted to say. In my mind, Shanahan is a great coach, but is TERRIBLE at assembling a roster. His best seasons were teams that he inherited. I feel like he historically has made numerous terrible trades (i.e. jarvis moss), has done a very poor job drafting future talent, and has done a poor job of signing the right free agents (and giving them alot of money, i.e Daniel Grahm). The talent that was on the Broncos team when McDaniels inherited it is a joke in my mind (specifically the defense). There were so many great holes on that team that in my mind they could have possibly had the worst talent in the NFL.

Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I've had to get these things off my chest, please share your thoughts on what I said.

I dont think building a team to compete and get to the playoffs is a bad thing because if a team can get to the playoffs then anything can happen. Look at AZ 2years ago, they were supposed to lose every game they played in the playoffs yet came within 1 drive of winning it all. They got in the tourney and went on a run. If the Skins can get into the playoffs, anything can happen after that.

[GTripp0012]

McNabb struggles to sustain long drives, but his M.O. his whole career has been the big play.

I don't really see a big play player on our offense, but I will at least entertain the idea that one exists and was obscured by a lack of offensive creativity.