Gen. Stanley McChrystal

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Bush neglected Afghanistan, it is his. It is the real war he forgot. He lost Iraq (we paying the insurgents not to shoot) and Afghanistan. T - 6 months til the CNN pictures of Taliban shotting in the air in celbration. T - 3 months before somebody makea a Karzai kibob.

Ok I'll make this easy. We had troops in Afghanisatan and Obama had the choice to pull them out or continue the war. He chose to stay and even bring in another 30,000 troops so now this is Obamas war. When you get to Iraq he said he would pull out the troops like he is somewhat doing so thats not his deal but AF. is and there is no way around that.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Obama said he would pull out of Iraq and ramp up efforts in Afghanistan so this is no cleanup effort. He ran on that so Af. is his don't push this over on Bush. Again.

what the shit do you mean afghanistan is his?

what orders did he send to invade?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Afghanistan would've been over had Bush not taken vacation during it

Honestly though it's hard to give either admin much credit on the situation. When someone inherits the "cleanup effort" it's hard to blame them more though. What makes me wonder is why neither admin really committed what they said it would take. Maybe they knew something that's just not coming to light for us common folk.

Afghanistan would have been over if Bush had not attacked Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11, instead, thus diluting forces.

[joethiesmanfan]

Well judging from what's going on and seeing as it's the longest war we've had. It looks like a Jim Zorn type situation. That is sad. It's over. Brang the boys home regroup and prepare for Iran. That's what a good strategist would do. Pride won't let us regroup though.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Well judging from what's going on and seeing as it's the longest war we've had. It looks like a Jim Zorn type situation. That is sad. It's over. Brang the boys home regroup and prepare for Iran. That's what a good strategist would do. Pride won't let us regroup though.

Spoke too soon. What have the Persians ever done to you?

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Spoke too soon. What have the Persians ever done to you?

Somebody got a woody for them. That's all they talk about. Afghanistan and Iraq makes attacking Iran impossible. Obama in a hurry to get out of these conflicts for only one reason. Bush missed the real target cause 9-11 made us throw startegy out the window. those older civilizations with all this depp history, they know how to defeat an invasion. Flying around toy planes ain't getting the job done.

[12thMan]

It's time we bring our troops home. We've allowed both wars to be overly politicized (as all wars are) and too damn costly for our country.

[CRedskinsRule]

jtf,

before BushII, who did you blame all the US woes on?

just askin'

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

jtf,

before BushII, who did you blame all the US woes on?

just askin'

Before bush: Hip hop wa sin classic mode, the economy was booming. We were at relative peace, we had a budget surplus. Then all of a sudden one nut stained dress changed our fate. Now we have two wars, and a super deficit. You tell me?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Before bush: Hip hop wa sin classic mode, the economy was booming. We were at relative peace, we had a budget surplus. Then all of a sudden one nut stained dress changed our fate. Now we have two wars, and a super deficit. You tell me?

Yea if you wanted to ignore all the attacks on us and do nothing.

1993 - The first World Trade Center bombing
1995 - Attempted crashing of plane on White House
1995 - Oklahoma City bombing
1996 - Khobar Towers bombing - Saudi Arabia
1998 - U.S. Embassy bombings Kenya/Tanzania
2000 - USS Cole Bombing - Yemen

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=firstdown;708185]Yea if you wanted to ignore all the attacks on us and do nothing.

1993 - The first World Trade Center bombing
1995 - Attempted crashing of plane on White House
1995 - Oklahoma City bombing
1996 - Khobar Towers bombing - Saudi Arabia
1998 - U.S. Embassy bombings Kenya/Tanzania
2000 - USS Cole Bombing - Yemen

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea if you wanted to ignore all the attacks on us and do nothing.

1993 - The first World Trade Center bombing
1995 - Attempted crashing of plane on White House
1995 - Oklahoma City bombing
1996 - Khobar Towers bombing - Saudi Arabia
1998 - U.S. Embassy bombings Kenya/Tanzania
2000 - USS Cole Bombing - Yemen

Lol. Those events were attacks BY us, not ON us. They were created by Americans.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Lol. Those events were attacks BY us, not ON us. They were created by Americans.

Funny I looked over the list quick and did not notice those and your correct.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Before bush: Hip hop wa sin classic mode, the economy was booming. We were at relative peace, we had a budget surplus. Then all of a sudden one nut stained dress changed our fate. Now we have two wars, and a super deficit. You tell me?

Dont forget prices at the pump didnt even keep up with inflation prior to his tenure. Then we saw record high prices in Bush's final years.

Im gonna go with Carter before him.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Before bush: Hip hop wa sin classic mode, the economy was booming. We were at relative peace, we had a budget surplus. Then all of a sudden one nut stained dress changed our fate. Now we have two wars, and a super deficit. You tell me?

yup some cum on a blue dress caused some f-ing ruh-tards to fly planes into buildings

and theres no way in hell the budget surplus was a result of 12 years of gop before big willy