Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

SirClintonPortis · 11-01-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I guarantee you guys mike shanahan will make this team a contender really soon.. Shit we were 4-12 last season, we could double that in one year.

Good luck with that, I thought I would be drinking the Kool-Aid again within 2-3 years, but it seems I'll have to postpone it until we're laughing at Carlos Rogers being old and washed up on some other team 5 years from now.

GusFrerotte · 11-01-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I guarantee you guys mike shanahan will make this team a contender really soon.. Shit we were 4-12 last season, we could double that in one year.

Let's see what Rex does before you mention the words really soon. For Shanny's system to work we will have to replace our entire line and the backups with guys that can perform his new blocking schemes. That is two seasons at the very least. You have to also flip a coin if Grossman can somehow materialize into an all pro QB(unlikely). If not, you have to draft a kid, and if we finish 7-9 to 9-7 forget getting the top QB(s). Bottom line is you aren't going to erase the damage Vinny has done over a decade in a couple seasons.

skinsfan_nn · 11-01-2010, 09:25 PM

McNabb is one and done. He's not what they are looking for to run this offense and will not be a Redskin next season IMO.

Win some, ya loss some. This is a second and I believe a future fourth round (Maybe contingent) pick loss for us. I have been very dissatisfied with McNabb being way to inconsistent and very slow at best to learn this system.

The End.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2010, 09:36 PM

Norv repeatedly passed the buck, but this isn't about Norv...

We all like that Shanahan/Allen have been much more secretive, less forthcoming than Zorn/Cerrato who were extremely candid. Zorn, at least. But right now I don't know if Shanahan is purposely saying all these different things publicly to confuse people or if he's been so focused on keeping people guessing that he's confusing even himself.

End of the day, as long as he is forthright and honest with McNabb and the rest of the players I don't really care if he tells me he didn't want McNabb playing at the end because his astrologer told him not to

skinsnut · 11-01-2010, 09:43 PM

This is how dishonesty starts...you tell a lie to cover for yourself...then you tell another to cover for that...then a 3rd...

Lets see.
Grossman knew the 2 minute drill better....then
McNabb isn't in condition....then
McNabb doesn't practice well enough.

The next thing I expect Shanny to say is...."I slept with McNabb's Mother!"

SirClintonPortis · 11-01-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

This is how dishonesty starts...you tell a lie to cover for yourself...then you tell another to cover for that...then a 3rd...

Lets see.
Grossman knew the 2 minute drill better....then
McNabb isn't in condition....then
McNabb doesn't practice well enough.

The next thing I expect Shanny to say is...."I slept with McNabb's Mother!"

Did she provide Chunky Soup for dinner?

skinsnut · 11-01-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Did she provide Chunky Soup for dinner?

That was in lieu of a cigarette

skinsnut · 11-01-2010, 09:51 PM

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?

Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys.
And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one.

You can generally believe patterns of people to continue.
Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy.
So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb.

I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O.

Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk?

skinsfan_nn · 11-01-2010, 10:11 PM

Brian Billick and Jon Gruden come to mind quickly.

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?

Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys.
And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one.

You can generally believe patterns of people to continue.
Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy.
So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb.

I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O.

Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk?

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-01-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?

Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys.
And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one.

You can generally believe patterns of people to continue.
Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy.
So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb.

I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O.

Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk?

Here are some Superbowl winning coaches that have been fired:

Tom Landry
Bill Callahan
Jon Gruden
Brian Billick
Mike Ditka

The fact that Shanahan was fired from Denver means nothing about his coaching abilities.

Longtimefan · 11-02-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?

Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys.
And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one.

You can generally believe patterns of people to continue.
Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy.
So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb.

I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O.

Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk?

Some noteworthy observations you make. The current is the 4th incoming HC I've taken the leisure to discuss on this forum since becoming a member. Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn and now Shanahan. Upon their entrance they were all anointed and ordained by many with the prospect of making life better for the Redskin faithful. [The old stand-by] Joe Gibbs came closest to delivering on any of the hopeful expectations.

What's most interesting is when you go back and view the comments made when they entered as opposed to the one's made when they exited. I really don't expect this HC to be any different.

I don't recall under what terms Brian Billick left Baltimore or Tom Flores left Oakland but you're right in stating SB coaches don't get fired, they usually leave of their own volition.

MTK · 11-02-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Some noteworthy observations you make. The current is the 4th incoming HC I've taken the leisure to discuss on this forum since becoming a member. Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn and now Shanahan. Upon their entrance they were all anointed and ordained by many with the prospect of making life better for the Redskin faithful. [The old stand-by] Joe Gibbs came closest to delivering on any of the hopeful expectations.

What's most interesting is when you go back and view the comments made when they entered as opposed to the one's made when they exited. I really don't expect this HC to be any different.

I don't recall under what terms Brian Billick left Baltimore or Tom Flores left Oakland but you're right in stating SB coaches don't get fired, they usually leave of their own volition.

We've already covered this but here are just a few off the top of my head

Gruden - fired
Billick - fired
Ditka - fired
Seifert - fired
Landry - fired

Longtimefan · 11-02-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

We've already covered this but here are just a few off the top of my head

Gruden - fired
Billick - fired
Ditka - fired
Seifert - fired
Landry - fired

I will take the time to review the percentages in comparison to all SB played. You do however remind me of a couple that escaped my memory. Thanks for refreshing.

CRedskinsRule · 11-02-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness.
We can finally see things more objectively....

Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too?
...

Seems to me you pick odd examples here. AH is playing very good and seems to be on board with the team going into the second half. That's at least as good, or maybe better than at this time last year when he was starting to hit the ground consistently, and miss several games. Devin Thomas, you mean the guy that didn't even travel with the Panthers to St. Louis? Dockery is the only one that is a bit of a head scratcher, but he wasn't stopping Suh on Sunday either.

Shanny certainly is arrogant, and he makes mistakes, but he generally produces competitive teams, and understands football, and especially the offensive side, of this football team.

As for the benching, Reid has done it in the past, with good results. I was shocked, and thought it was a mistake, but I accept that Shanahan knows what works with McNabb better than I ever could.

CooleyFanOV · 11-02-2010, 12:05 PM

Did anyone see the play in the second to the last redskins drive of the game, the skins come out of the huddle the camera pans to the sidelines and Kyle drops his arms and shruggs his shoulders. I'm not a lip reader but to me it looked like he said "what in the hell is he doing"! I think this is more telling than anything. Is Mcnabb out there doing his own thing. If there a problem between the staff and Mcnabb, I wonder if its with Kyle and not totally the old man. Any thoughts?

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11-01-2010, 09:25 PM	#3
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 61 Posts: 4,495	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss McNabb is one and done. He's not what they are looking for to run this offense and will not be a Redskin next season IMO. Win some, ya loss some. This is a second and I believe a future fourth round (Maybe contingent) pick loss for us. I have been very dissatisfied with McNabb being way to inconsistent and very slow at best to learn this system. The End. __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

11-01-2010, 09:36 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss Norv repeatedly passed the buck, but this isn't about Norv... We all like that Shanahan/Allen have been much more secretive, less forthcoming than Zorn/Cerrato who were extremely candid. Zorn, at least. But right now I don't know if Shanahan is purposely saying all these different things publicly to confuse people or if he's been so focused on keeping people guessing that he's confusing even himself. End of the day, as long as he is forthright and honest with McNabb and the rest of the players I don't really care if he tells me he didn't want McNabb playing at the end because his astrologer told him not to __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-01-2010, 09:43 PM	#5
skinsnut Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,059	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss This is how dishonesty starts...you tell a lie to cover for yourself...then you tell another to cover for that...then a 3rd... Lets see. Grossman knew the 2 minute drill better....then McNabb isn't in condition....then McNabb doesn't practice well enough. The next thing I expect Shanny to say is...."I slept with McNabb's Mother!" __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

11-01-2010, 09:51 PM	#8
skinsnut Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,059	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss I guess the "blind faith" Shanny can do no wrong love goggles are finally coming off for some of you guys...thank goodness. We can finally see things more objectively.... Perhaps....perhaps....Haynesworth isn't the antichrist we thought he was....and Devin Thomas and Dockery? maybe...."possibly" Shanny "maybe" could have made a mistake there too? Let's not always drink the kool-aid when we get a new coach guys. And Bruce Allen aint God either....he is a GM...an average one...yes better than pure crap...but an average one. You can generally believe patterns of people to continue. Shanny to be an ego-maniac, Hasslet to produce 20th ranked defenses, Allen to be average, McNabb to be hot and cold and have occassional irratic accuracy. So Shanny won 2 SB's....remember they fired the guy too...and there just as much reason for that as there was for Philly trading us McNabb. I don't know of another SB winning coach that was ever fired...these current actions certainly are consistant with his past M.O. Don't get me wrong...I still think he is rock solid...he can just be a jerk sometimes and who wants a boss who is a jerk? __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

11-02-2010, 12:05 PM	#15
CooleyFanOV Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 46	Re: Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss Did anyone see the play in the second to the last redskins drive of the game, the skins come out of the huddle the camera pans to the sidelines and Kyle drops his arms and shruggs his shoulders. I'm not a lip reader but to me it looked like he said "what in the hell is he doing"! I think this is more telling than anything. Is Mcnabb out there doing his own thing. If there a problem between the staff and Mcnabb, I wonder if its with Kyle and not totally the old man. Any thoughts? __________________ Although these are trying times..I'm actually happy to be right here, right now with the Redskins. I'm standing by our owner. Joe Gibbs instilled Dan Snyder with the tools to do the right thing. We will return to the glory days!

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