2011 NFL Draft

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really starting to look now like Quinn won't be there at #10. DaQuan Bowers' injury kind of screwed us.

So we'll likely look to trade down and possibly pick up Locker there. Though I'm not sure he's the top choice. Our best bet right now is a trade down with the Rams at 14. Though they may screw us by trading to 9 with the Cowboys. I don't think Minnesota is taking a QB in the first round (not at 12 at least) so I'm not concerned with dropping to 14 and risking missing out on another QB.

One week to go! Can't wait! I might actually get to sit in a war room next weekend!

I won't feel screwed...I hope Quinn is not there. QB at #10 or a trade down...thats what I want.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by celts32

I won't feel screwed...I hope Quinn is not there. QB at #10 or a trade down...thats what I want.

Agreed, blessing in disguise. But I surely wouldnt count out Minnesota not taking Locker at there first pick if that is who Shanny wants.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Agreed, blessing in disguise. But I surely wouldnt count out Minnesota not taking Locker at there first pick if that is who Shanny wants.

I don't discount that at all. I am on record that if they like Locker they should just pick him at #10. But if at the end of the day they are not sold on Locker or any other QB at #10 then I prefer a trade down over drafting another position.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really starting to look now like Quinn won't be there at #10. DaQuan Bowers' injury kind of screwed us.

So we'll likely look to trade down and possibly pick up Locker there. Though I'm not sure he's the top choice. Our best bet right now is a trade down with the Rams at 14. Though they may screw us by trading to 9 with the Cowboys. I don't think Minnesota is taking a QB in the first round (not at 12 at least) so I'm not concerned with dropping to 14 and risking missing out on another QB.

One week to go! Can't wait! I might actually get to sit in a war room next weekend!

Smoot, I respect your opinion, yet I'm puzzled by your reasoning about trading down four spots when thinking about taking a QB in the first round. Perhaps you know something that you're not saying such as the Skins having a verbal agreement to trade McNabb to Minnesota after the draft.

Otherwise, for the Redskins to trade down four spots and risk losing the QB they want just doesn't make sense to me. If a team takes a QB in the first round, they expect that QB to be their starter, if not their Franchise QB, sooner rather than later, don't they? Trying to pick up a third round pick is just not worth the risk of losing such a player.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really starting to look now like Quinn won't be there at #10. DaQuan Bowers' injury kind of screwed us.

So we'll likely look to trade down and possibly pick up Locker there. Though I'm not sure he's the top choice. Our best bet right now is a trade down with the Rams at 14. Though they may screw us by trading to 9 with the Cowboys. I don't think Minnesota is taking a QB in the first round (not at 12 at least) so I'm not concerned with dropping to 14 and risking missing out on another QB.

One week to go! Can't wait! I might actually get to sit in a war room next weekend!

Ah the prophecy is coming together. Soon I will be looked at as the Warpath Insider. People will come to me and fill up my inbox with request for information and I'll be super cool. Even though I can sense something is amiss. Wait if I'm trying to destroy Smootsmack and become the insider why am I using his post to confirm my prediction???????? DAMNIT.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Locker is a talent worth rolling the dice on. The payoff could be huge with him. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took him at #10.

I think I remember reading somewhere that the three best indicators of a college qbs performance after transitioning to The NFL are games started, winning percentage, and completion percentage. Lockers got the starts but his lost twice as many games as he won and his completion percentage last year was barely above 50%.

Locker is NOT worth rolling the dice on at ten. If we traded down and picked him up between 25 and 32, maybe. But not at ten. This team has far too many needs to roll the dice on a high draft pick, reguardless of the position

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think I remember reading somewhere that the three best indicators of a college qbs performance after transitioning to The NFL are games started, winning percentage, and completion percentage. Lockers got the starts but his lost twice as many games as he won and his completion percentage last year was barely above 50%.

Locker is NOT worth rolling the dice on at ten. If we traded down and picked him up between 25 and 32, maybe. But not at ten. This team has far too many needs to roll the dice on a high draft pick, reguardless of the position

You mean this?

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...b-formula.html

The formula has some merit but there are certainly exceptions to the rule and other factors that have to be considered more than these 3 categories.

Considering Shanny liked him enough last year where he would have considered taking him at #4, taking him at #10 this year shouldn't be ruled out or come as a surprise if it happens.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You mean this?

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...b-formula.html

The formula has some merit but there are certainly exceptions to the rule and other factors that have to be considered more than these 3 categories.

Considering Shanny liked him enough last year where he would have considered taking him at #4, taking him at #10 this year shouldn't be ruled out or come as a surprise if it happens.

Does anyone know who the last quarterback who started fewer than 27 games and completed fewer than 60% of his passes AND had considerable NFL success was? I'd say there's some guys you just don't take.

Let's simplify this: I want to find the quarterback with the LOWEST college completion percentage to be drafted in the last ten years and achieve some reasonable degree of success. I am guessing that we're going to be dealing with a 58% or better passer.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Does anyone know who the last quarterback who started fewer than 27 games and completed fewer than 60% of his passes AND had considerable NFL success was? I'd say there's some guys you just don't take.

Let's simplify this: I want to find the quarterback with the LOWEST college completion percentage to be drafted in the last ten years and achieve some reasonable degree of success. I am guessing that we're going to be dealing with a 58% or better passer.

Brett Favre's college completion percentage was 52.4% according to this:

When are QB accuracy rates important? - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Does anyone know who the last quarterback who started fewer than 27 games and completed fewer than 60% of his passes AND had considerable NFL success was? I'd say there's some guys you just don't take.

Let's simplify this: I want to find the quarterback with the LOWEST college completion percentage to be drafted in the last ten years and achieve some reasonable degree of success. I am guessing that we're going to be dealing with a 58% or better passer.

How about the reverse?

Can anyone name the litany of above 60% college QBs that have failed in the NFL?

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Locker is a talent worth rolling the dice on. The payoff could be huge with him. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took him at #10.

I would be cool with this as well. Would love to trade down and get him, but if that isn't an option....go for it!

[Son Of Man]

I come away impressed with Locker in every interview (NFL Total Access, QB Camp, Combine) and thr Year of the QB show. I also feel comfortable with the guy's parents and community support in his hometown. A real tell-tale sign, for me, about Locker's character is the manner in which his college teammates seemed to hold him in high regard. He looks like their undisputed and loved leader, that is an honor that is earned through the work one puts into their craft. Say what you want about his decision to go back to school, it takes a guy with character (and good family support) to bypass the pros and finish your college career (especially for the reasons he gave).

The QB position appears to be one of the hardest to scout in all of pro sports. And there is a definate risk in drafting one in the first round. But if I had to choose a guy to take a risk on, Locker's skill set and intangibles make me comfortable as a fan of the B&G. I hope he is our QB of the future.

[Dirtbag59]

Jake Locker: Mayock, Gruden say Locker fits Redskins
Jake Locker - QB - CLG - Apr. 21 - 9:38 am et
NFL Network's Mike Mayock and ESPN's Jon Gruden agree that Washington QB Jake Locker is a good fit for the Redskins' offense.
NFLN's Mike Lombardi is in this same boat as the idea of Locker going 10th gains steam a week before the draft. "Locker likes getting out on the edge and he’s mostly accurate off play-action rolling out," Mayock said. "That’s what Mike Shanahan’s scheme is. ... If (Locker) has a chance to play early and play effectively, I think that’s the kind of system he’s set up for." Apr. 21 - 9:38 am et
Source: Washington Post

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Jake Locker: Mayock, Gruden say Locker fits Redskins
Jake Locker - QB - CLG - Apr. 21 - 9:38 am et
NFL Network's Mike Mayock and ESPN's Jon Gruden agree that Washington QB Jake Locker is a good fit for the Redskins' offense.
NFLN's Mike Lombardi is in this same boat as the idea of Locker going 10th gains steam a week before the draft. "Locker likes getting out on the edge and he’s mostly accurate off play-action rolling out," Mayock said. "That’s what Mike Shanahan’s scheme is. ... If (Locker) has a chance to play early and play effectively, I think that’s the kind of system he’s set up for." Apr. 21 - 9:38 am et
Source: Washington Post

Locker's is very accurate when throwing on the run. That is probably the first thing that I noticed about him that I really liked. Remember how deadly Joe Theismann was in the Red Zone when he rolled out? I think that's what I was seeing in Locker. And Jake is an even better runner than Joe was.

Another thing that I liked about Locker when I saw him play was that when he was forced out of the pocket he kept his eyes downfield and made a number of big passing plays down the field. He can really keep a play alive.

I know that he needs some work on a few things, but I believe that this guy can play well in the NFL. Now I read that Mike Mayock and Jon Gruden think that Locker is a good fit for the offense we run and I think that I'm finally convinced that he should be our pick at #10.

BTW, there has been a lot said in the media about how Mike Shanahan would have taken Locker at #4 last year. If that's true, then why wouldn't Mike take Locker at #10 this year?

[scowan]

So someone please explain this to me.... If there is no new CBA by next Thursday, which at this point seem highly likely, how can teams trade players for draft picks, if they want to make that happen? They can't can they? They can trade picks, but not players?