Ongoing CBA discussions

[SkinzWin]

Sources: NFL-Union talks canceled

[CRedskinsRule]

I still hold out a lot of hope that the 18 game season is a bargaining chip as an earlier article mentioned. Certainly there is a ton of posturing on both sides, and to give up the 18 game season would appear, now, as a huge concession by the owners.

[SBXVII]

This is what I'm refering to....

If March 4 arrives without an extension of the current CBA, which was and still is the settlement agreement of the antitrust case filed by Reggie White and others many years ago, Judge David Doty’s jurisdiction over the relationship between the two parties ends. Given that the league has tried to have Judge Doty bounced based on the perception that he has a union bias, the NFL surely would like to find a way to do a Doty-free deal. The union, on the other hand, surely would like to keep Doty involved.

[diehardskin2982]

why is 50-50 too much for the owners?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

why is 50-50 too much for the owners?

I would imagine the players would say because there are 32 ownership groups, and thousands of current and retired players.

[SBXVII]

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;783768]I would imagine the players would say because there are 32 ownership groups, and thousands of current and retired players.[/QUOTE]

I maybe missing the point, but honestly, I could care less about the retired players. They chose that path. and... although the NFL nor the NFLPA has developed any type of retirement fund, I feel the players themselves had every opportunity to take a portion of their earnings and put it into an IRA or something. Instead they pissed it away. I just don't see how that should be placed on the owners and they be forced to solve the problem. How about the NFLPA step up and create a retirement fund and have the players give a % of their income to be put into a retirement fund for the future... kinda like the social security dept.

I also have felt that the insurance issue is BS also. Let the NFLPA act like any other corporation and find a decent HMO for all the players and again let the players pay for their own insurance and their families if they chose the family package. The more players that take the deal the lower the monthly costs.

Lastly, I'm not trying to sound one sided but all in all if the players are unhappy they can always take their talents to the CFL, UFL, or where ever. Fans will follow them just to see them. The owners have more invested and more to worry about in regards to this very thing happening.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I maybe missing the point, but honestly, I could care less about the retired players. They chose that path. and... although the NFL nor the NFLPA has developed any type of retirement fund, I feel the players themselves had every opportunity to take a portion of their earnings and put it into an IRA or something. Instead they pissed it away. I just don't see how that should be placed on the owners and they be forced to solve the problem. How about the NFLPA step up and create a retirement fund and have the players give a % of their income to be put into a retirement fund for the future... kinda like the social security dept.

I also have felt that the insurance issue is BS also. Let the NFLPA act like any other corporation and find a decent HMO for all the players and again let the players pay for their own insurance and their families if they chose the family package. The more players that take the deal the lower the monthly costs.

Lastly, I'm not trying to sound one sided but all in all if the players are unhappy they can always take their talents to the CFL, UFL, or where ever. Fans will follow them just to see them. The owners have more invested and more to worry about in regards to this very thing happening.

Well the NFLPA represents current players, retired players (atleast that's my understanding).

As for the NFLPA acting like a corporation, it is not, it is a Union, the NFL is the "corporation"- type entity, so your argument actually tends to back the players point

in the end I maintain both sides just need to set aside pettiness and "man up" at the negotiating table.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

why is 50-50 too much for the owners?

Owners say that such a ratio does not offer them the resources to invest in and grow the game, thus growing the financial pie that both owners and players draw from.

However, a cynic might say that the 50-50 ratio does not match up with owners' greed.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

why is 50-50 too much for the owners?

This is what I don't get. Why not just split the money between owners and players 50/50. Instead the players have a 60/40 split. 50% can go to players salaries, the other 50% the owner can use however he likes... stadium, equipement, coach's, front office, whatever.

[Longtimefan]

Report: CBA talks broke down after union proposed 50-50 split | ProFootballTalk

[CRedskinsRule]

The NFLPA suggested 50-50 split of ALL revenue intead of the 60 percent of "TOTAL FOOTBALLL REVENUE". The difference goes back to the nfl opening their books, which just isn't going to happen. The net difference in dollar values isn't that much but pat kirwan was very clear that we can't know exactly what the difference is because the books aren't open.

Again just bargaining points on each side

[CRedskinsRule]

Good read on the differences on the NFLPA and NFL owners current rookie salary scale proposals by Andrew Brandt.

The Rookie Sacrifice: NFL, NFLPA proposals unveiled | National Football Post

[skinsfaninok]

Sources: Panthers owner disses Manning, Brees - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[skinsfaninok]

Goodell says “the time has come to make a deal” | ProFootballTalk

[CRedskinsRule]

Good article on the lack of trust between the NFL and NFLPA:

NFL labor pains, part 10: an issue of trust | National Football Post