Was a Superbowl Flyover Worth the $

[firstdown]

I don't get operational cost and air time when we are flying jets 24/7 out of Va Beach. The $109,000 for gas makes sense which the NFL sould pay back to the tax payers. Other then that its pretty much just another practice run.

[saden1]

Houston, we have a problem. 150 million million for naval recruiting and advertising...not a bad deal in light of other defense expenditures.

[Hog1]

I hired this plane and crew once upon a time at $1000 for about an hour ride.....good value

YouTube - B-17 Bomber, TEXAS RAIDERS, Flight 2001

[CRedskinsRule]

SS33, I, for one, think that the other areas you always mention make perfect sense in reducing the size and scope of government, but we need to also look at all the big guys; medicare, ss, and defense. But this topic was specifically about a (in my opinion) gross misuse of federal funds and something that the defense dept should re-evaluate. Pointing out non-defense issues just reinforces the perceptions that military spending should be off-limits - and it shouldn't

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SS33, I, for one, think that the other areas you always mention make perfect sense in reducing the size and scope of government, but we need to also look at all the big guys; medicare, ss, and defense. But this topic was specifically about a (in my opinion) gross misuse of federal funds and something that the defense dept should re-evaluate. Pointing out non-defense issues just reinforces the perceptions that military spending should be off-limits - and it shouldn't

Medicare, SS and Interest on the Debt are key. Defense is already being cut, I do a bunch of work with DoD and live in Hampton Roads...trust me the Obama Admin is doing a fine job of cutting defense.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

A little something to reinforce my point.....

Obama Sends $3.7 Trillion Budget to Congress - FoxNews.com

From the link:
"While Obama's budget avoided painful choices in entitlement programs, it did call for $78 billion in reductions to Pentagon spending over the next decade by trimming what it views as unnecessary weapons programs such as the C-17 aircraft, the alternative engine for the Joint Strike Fighter aircraft and the Marine expeditionary vehicle."

[SBXVII]

Uh, what part of the flyover cost $450,000? I'm just pulling excrement out of my butt, .... but I'd like to think every time the Navy fly's a plane it does not cost $450,000. Plus the pilots have to get a certain number of day and night hours in flying a month. So why would it cost that much.

Oh wait I forgot, the Navy is apart of the government and the government likes to spend and or bill for 3 to 4 times what the actual price should be. The most the NFL should have to pay for is the gas for each plane.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Uh, what part of the flyover cost $450,000? I'm just pulling excrement out of my butt, .... but I'd like to think every time the Navy fly's a plane it does not cost $450,000. Plus the pilots have to get a certain number of day and night hours in flying a month. So why would it cost that much.

Oh wait I forgot, the Navy is a part of the government and the government likes to spend and or bill for 3 to 4 times what the actual price should be. The most the NFL should have to pay for is the gas for each plane.

It should make the new....Health Care Plan quite entertaining?

[CRedskinsRule]

Obviously, Pres Obama won't set a call for the necessary cuts in Medicare/Medicaid/SS because his constituency would yell "cut Defense not us ", likewise the Republicans will attempt to cut medicare/medicaid/obamacare and hold off cutting defense because their constituency will yell "cut services not security". The key will be if both sides accept the cuts the other side puts forth, without bitter rhetoric: ie, a dem saying a republican wants to kill your kid, or a republican saying that a dem wants to leave the country open to terrorism).

It can't be an either/or when the final budget is signed, it needs to be across the board for there to be significant cuts.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Obviously, Pres Obama won't set a call for the necessary cuts in Medicare/Medicaid/SS because his constituency would yell "cut Defense not us ", likewise the Republicans will attempt to cut medicare/medicaid/obamacare and hold off cutting defense because their constituency will yell "cut services not security". The key will be if both sides accept the cuts the other side puts forth, without bitter rhetoric: ie, a dem saying a republican wants to kill your kid, or a republican saying that a dem wants to leave the country open to terrorism).

It can't be an either/or when the final budget is signed, it needs to be across the board for there to be significant cuts.

I agree with you in theory, however of the "elephants in the room" you mention (let's throw in interest on the debt) defense spending is comparatively about 25% of the total $$$ that need to be looked at. Obama and the Dems have mostly ignored the recommendations of his own bi-partisan defecit reduction panel. Having control in the House is great, but we all know not much will get done without the Senate and WH committed to cost cutting. So we add another $ 3T to the National Debt (21%) for at least the next two years?

Also, just checked the National Debt Clock, our National Debt is almost at the level of GDP. Can you imagine having as much unsecured debt hanging over your head as your yearly income......and then adding 21% to that amount with no major increase in income on the horizon. It's f-ing insane.

[hooskins]

I have a problem with this, and every single military flyover. It has always been a huge waste of money.

If you are having the topic expenditure reduction, you can't make too many relative comparisons. That type of logic ultimately leads to no cuts.

450k or 100k, is money no matter how you look at it.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I have a problem with this, and every single military flyover. It has always been a huge waste of money.

If you are having the topic expenditure reduction, you can't make too many relative comparisons. That type of logic ultimately leads to no cuts.

450k or 100k, is money no matter how you look at it.

EXACTLY....,that money could be better served purchasing to or three military extension ladders, or perhaps 4 hammers........at current
Federal bargain pricing???

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Hog1

EXACTLY....,that money could be better served purchasing to or three military extension ladders, or perhaps 4 hammers........at current
Federal bargain pricing???

Not saying there aren't instances of fraud, but in general those days are over. I can't speak to all areas of Fed contracting, but at least in IT procurement the Fed has gotten a lot smarter (go figure). For the most part the Fed is getting aggressive pricing on what they buy. The problem that increases costs are the many regulations that require compliance.

[firstdown]

I don't have a problem with the fly over I have a problem of why the NFL would not have to pay for the fly over.

[hooskins]

Well obviously, first. That doesn't need to be stated.