Ramsey's last days as a Redskin

[TheMalcolmConnection]

It'll be like this. If we draft him he flops. If the Eagles draft him he's the next "most electrifying person" at his position. That seems to be how shit works out when its a player we lose cause of money/oversight/etc.

[irish]

I think Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. I do think Campbell will be drafted. PR will be the starter this season and Campbell will watch & learn. When PR's contract expires (in a year or so) Campbell will be the starter.

Thats not the scenario I hope for but its what I think will happen.

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by irish

I think Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. I do think Campbell will be drafted. PR will be the starter this season and Campbell will watch & learn. When PR's contract expires (in a year or so) Campbell will be the starter.

Thats not the scenario I hope for but its what I think will happen.

It's not what I want either, but I could see it happening.....but if Ramsey were to turn it on and have success next year or two --ala Brees last year-- it could get very interesting. We all know that Gibbs is huge on sticking with his starting QB until he basically has no choice.
I still don't think they will draft Campbell though....

[skin4Life28]

I feel Campbell will be suiting up in a Redskins uni this year. Here are my reasons. 1. We are very going to get Carlos Rodgers with number 9 which I like, he is a excellent corner. 2. Gibbs likes to listen to his vets and I really feel that Brunell may be saying Ramsey isn't grasping what he needs to. I don't know though just something to think about.

[firstdown]

I have one question. Is it even possible for us to select two first rounders and have the cap room to pay them? I think we would have to make cuts and besides Gardner who else would go? If we do not keep both first rounders what will it be traded for? A second and third rounder and a player? I think the second cenario is the most likley I just don't know who they have an eye on.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I have one question. Is it even possible for us to select two first rounders and have the cap room to pay them? I think we would have to make cuts and besides Gardner who else would go? If we do not keep both first rounders what will it be traded for? A second and third rounder and a player? I think the second cenario is the most likley I just don't know who they have an eye on.

EXCELLENT point. The salary cap has to come into play here. I don't think we're likely to trade up for a top 5 selection because the price tag for one of those top picks is just too hefty.

And, can we afford a CB or WR at 9 and then the QB at 25? Well, yeah we can, especially after we trade Gardner. But things fit a lot neater under the cap if we either fall back from 9 or fall back from 25.

The way the Skins are acting and the media reports surrounding them, I have NO IDEA what they're going to do. And you know what, that's probably just the way they want it. Considering the cap though, in my opinion, we can rule out a trade up into the top 5. All other options seem open at this point.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

The Skins FO better get ready for a tit-bashing. No matter what the scouting report says, I don't see Jason Campbell as being a top-tier QB.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Here is an important thing to remember for this time of year:

Believe NOTHING that any NFL coach or GM says about the draft. And the corrollary to that is that anything you deduce they are about to do in the draft is merely a guess because they have been lying to you on purpose.

Having said that:

IF - note I said IF - the Redskins draft Campbell or any other QB at #25 (I like Charlie Frye from Akron more than Campbell that that's a detail), that will demonstrate clearly to me that Gibbs has not liked Ramsey from day one. Remember last year when he took over he said that one of the things he and his staff saw was that the "previous regime" was starting people who never should have been starting? Then his first act was to go out and sign Brunell to play QB. MAYBE Joe Gibbs has decided that Ramsey CANNOT play QB iat the NFL level for a winning team. There are lots of "pretend NFL QBs" who have careers moving around with teams aspiring to be .500. Do the names Gus Frerotte and Tony Banks and Jeff Blake ring any bells? I don't KNOW if Gibbs thinks Ramsey is a career loser, but he might...


Daseal:

Ths Skins have more than 2 needs. Yes they need a WR. I actually think they need 2 WRs but I'll back off and agree that one really good one will do. Yes, I agree they need a CB. But that's not all.

The Skins also need Cooley to upgrade his game significantly OR they need a TE.

The Skins need a player to provide depth at LB and at Safety. With Arrington gimpy, Barrow still "making great progress in his recovery" as he has for the last year and Pierce gone, there are a lot of question marks at LB.

The Skins' need depth on the OL. We saw what happened last year with one injury to Jansen.

The Skins need another DL because the assumption that the defense will be as good as last year depends on 5 defensive linemen playing as well as they did last year when all 5 played the absolute best they ever did. That's not highly likely to happen again.


Ramseyfan:

Your exchange of those disabled and afflicted mondeys for the Skins' FO personnel would be an improvement even if they don't draft another QB in the first round.


Schneed10:

The contract that would go to a pick at #25 would not be anything near what it would cost to sign a pick in the top 5. The cap room hit for a player there is not a really big deal. Now if they package those two picks with Gardner and trade up to #2 to take WHOMEVER, that will be a humongous signing bonus and fat contract for the team to swallow.


BTW, back in December we had some folks here speculating about what might happen if the Skins traded Gardner for a first round pick. Has that delusion passed yet? The Skins would probably take a low 3rd roound pick for Gardner now and give thanks to each and every football god for the good fortune if they could get it. I still think that the best they will get for him is late 4th round or he may be the "sweetener" in a deal to make a draft choice swap. Other than that, he'll be playing wide-out for this offense next September - - because as mediocre as he is, they don't have anything better...

[BossHog]

Trading those three picks for this year's twenty fifth pick wasnn't neccesarily a bad move in my opinion. I've accepted the fact that I'm a fan of a team who hasn't been built by the draft. This is just another one of those moves that doesn't fit the norm of the NFL. The owner and head coach has other beliefs.

As far as Ramsey goes. Which of you guys was estatic when we drafted him? If I recall correctly it was a reach for us to draft him near the bottom of round one. What has to happen for the Redskins organization and the fans to say 'OK. That's enough. We've seen what you can do'. There's four types of QBs in this league; ones that win games, ones that won't lose games, and ones that lose games. Which is Ramsey? The fourth type. The inconsistent ones. This situation reminds me of the relationship I have with my girlfriend. She doesn't always do as I say, cook what I want to eat, or excite me like the hot chick across the street, but I at least I know what to expect day in and day out. Why ditch her and have to deal with the next psycho bitch? It's cheaper to keep her.

[joethiesmanfan]

i think that 25th pick will wind up being an early second round pick. once the draft starts and people get nervous about what they want we are gonna make some moves very interesting we gonna get a CB and the other player should be the best player available. But Jason campbell is gonna wind up being a better pro than Smith or Rodgers from Cal. I want Pac man and then the next best palyer available I dont know about them D-linemen. They look sexy but.........

[skin4Life28]

We will have plenty of cap space to sign our players. We wouldn't have gotten another 1st pick if we couldn't. I have no doubt that Snyder can get these guys signed. After June 1st cuts and Gardner being gone there will be plenty of space.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

HA!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, I hope your girlfriend doesn't real that.

Classic.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Uhhhgg. I've said it before, I'll say it again. No Chance we draft Campbell.
1. If we really did want him, we wouldn't go leaking that to the whole world, especially with it being a potential 25th pick. Why tip our hand so badly to let anyone else who wants him leapfrog us?
2. Gibbs doesn't have time to groom Campbell into a starter.
3. Campbell wasn't even that stellar of a QB for 3 of his 4 years at Auburn. One good season does not a quarterback make.
4. Campbell has only ever really excelled in a west coast offense. That type of QB is absolutely useless to Gibbs's offense.
5. We have too many other needs, and this draft is just too deep at CB and WR (coincidentally two of our biggest needs) to make a reach for a 3rd QB.
6. Because the draft is so deep at CB and WR, the best thing the skins could do to help themselves if they plan on staying at #25 to make a pick is to convince the rest of the world that they are taking Campbell. This would potentially cool the feet of anyone behind them that is also looking for a CB or WR and is considering leapfrogging the skins to get one. If they think the skins are going with Campbell, they won't feel like they have to trade up past them to get the next best WR or CB available when #22, 23, 24 start going off the board.
7. I'm not a fan of Campbell and I've told Danny Boy and Joey G how I feel (ok, not really, but points 1-6 stand)

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I hope Gibbs called Ramsey and is like, "Dude, we're just trying to play some mind games. Don't take it personally."

[skin4Life28]

Hey PSU. I have a question on point 3. Does Tom Brady count. He only had one year at Michingan and has one 3 Super Bowls. The fact is that he has gotten better each year there.