Bin Laden Killed

[firstdown]

I really don't think it matters if they release the photo. I think we should have kept his head and every time some ask Obama for proof that Osama was dead he could pull his head out of a bag that he carries around.

I saw last night that the seal teams came from Va. Beach and I have several of them insure but not sure if it was their units. One of their trainers have a cottage at Nags Head just down from us and hangs out on the beach with us and I can't wait to ask him a few questions.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I really don't think it matters if they release the photo. I think we should have kept his head and every time some ask Obama for proof that Osama was dead he could pull his head out of a bag that he carries around.

I saw last night that the seal teams came from Va. Beach and I have several of them insure but not sure if it was their units. One of their trainers have a cottage at Nags Head just down from us and hangs out on the beach with us and I can't wait to ask him a few questions.

If they're not in DEVGRU they weren't involved?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

We don't need photos. Even if the photos are released there will still be conspiracy folks who say they were photoshopped. As saden said, those who hate us will still hate and any non-extremeists aren't taking up arms over his death.

Let's move on with the intel gathered and kill/disrupt as much of the rest of the Al qaeda beast as quickly as possible.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If they're not in DEVGRU they weren't involved?

It was my impression that Seal Team Six aka DEVGRU was the team responsible for the op. Seal Team Six = WINNING.

[mlmpetert]

Smart move by the Pres. The faster people forget about bin laden the faster what he stood for becomes irrelevant.

Something else ive been thinking a lot about is the timing of the raid. They were pretty sure since August bin laden was there. They were pretty much positive that bin laden was there since feb. Im guessing since august they started looking pretty deeply into if Pakistan was involved or perhaps to what extent Pakistan is involved. Also they were probably hoping other top al qaida officials might get caught when the courier communicated with them. Maybe hoping to get some intel on if al quida has a nuclear bomb or anything they may be planning or how strong they are or how influential bin laden really was anymore. Im also thinking in feb. there was way too much uncertainty going on with Middle East riots… even though things are still far from settled.

It makes sense to do it on May 1st, a Sunday night so youll have a whole week of positive news on the administration. This is clearly good for Obama’s ratings, and doesn’t hurt that this happened right before the start of Republican primaries. Pres Bush declared “Mission Accomplished” 8 years ago to the day….. The news Hitler died was announced on May 1st. And May 2nd is Holocaust Remembrance Day a Federal holiday in Israel. Recently released wikileaks also could have made bin laden feel like the US was getting close and make him change hiding spots, or at least worry the US into thinking he might make a move.

Im thinking this was a pretty calculated date, probably for reasons less-political or coincidental that what I listed above. It may not have been the number one choice but was probably up there and could have been slightly forced by wikileak documents or more likely something we have no idea about.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Smart move by the Pres. The faster people forget about bin laden the faster what he stood for becomes irrelevant.

Something else ive been thinking a lot about is the timing of the raid. They were pretty sure since August bin laden was there. They were pretty much positive that bin laden was there since feb. Im guessing since august they started looking pretty deeply into if Pakistan was involved or perhaps to what extent Pakistan is involved. Also they were probably hoping other top al qaida officials might get caught when the courier communicated with them. Maybe hoping to get some intel on if al quida has a nuclear bomb or anything they may be planning or how strong they are or how influential bin laden really was anymore. Im also thinking in feb. there was way too much uncertainty going on with Middle East riots… even though things are still far from settled.

It makes sense to do it on May 1st, a Sunday night so youll have a whole week of positive news on the administration. This is clearly good for Obama’s ratings, and doesn’t hurt that this happened right before the start of Republican primaries. Pres Bush declared “Mission Accomplished” 8 years ago to the day….. The news Hitler died was announced on May 1st. And May 2nd is Holocaust Remembrance Day a Federal holiday in Israel. Recently released wikileaks also could have made bin laden feel like the US was getting close and make him change hiding spots, or at least worry the US into thinking he might make a move.

Im thinking this was a pretty calculated date, probably for reasons less-political or coincidental that what I listed above. It may not have been the number one choice but was probably up there and could have been slightly forced by wikileak documents or more likely something we have no idea about.

Also the day before bin laden was killed Gaddafi's son and 3 of Gaddafi's grandchildren (all young ages) and a friend were all killed in a NATO air strke (i thought we were susposed to be staying out of this?). This definitely didnt get much attention.... i mean heck no one even bumped the World Revolution Thread 2011.

[12thMan]

I don't see any upside to releasing the photo. Really. For those that say it will satisfy the conspiracy nuts, well, they won't believe it's bin Laden anyway. I think most rational people, here and elsewhere, know that bastard is dead.

The real downside of releasing the photo is that it continues to perpetuate the myth of bin Laden's warped and twisted legacy. So on one hand the administration didn't want a physical burial place for extremists to worship, but yet we give them a tangible photo to idolize and keep bin Laden alive, even if it's only in their minds.

I think the pressure is mounting and they will eventually release the photos, but I don't like the idea that we have to dignify and indulge our appetite for gore and gruesome images when we know full well he's at the bottom of the Arabian sea. **** bin Laden, he's dead. Let's move on.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't see any upside to releasing the photo. Really. For those that say it will satisfy the conspiracy nuts, well, they won't believe it's bin Laden anyway. I think most rational people, here and elsewhere, know that bastard is dead.

The real downside of releasing the photo is that it continues to perpetuate the myth of bin Laden's warped and twisted legacy. So on one hand the administration didn't want a physical burial place for extremists to worship, but yet we give them a tangible photo to idolize and keep bin Laden alive, even if it's only in their minds.

I think the pressure is mounting and they will eventually release the photos, but I don't like the idea that we have to dignify and indulge our appetite for gore and gruesome images when we know full well he's at the bottom of the Arabian sea. **** bin Laden, he's dead. Let's move on.

Exactly my thoughts. Plus its like there's no real closure for his followers. They know hes dead. Theres no grave. Theres no photo or video of him dead. Theres questions on how he died. Theres just no closure for them.....

People are always going to doubt that he really died. A photo isnt gonna help. I honestly think it will hurt a little because it gives people something to pick at. Be like the SEALS, do your job, leave nothing, turn down any praise.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Exactly my thoughts. Plus its like there's no real closure for his followers. They know hes dead. Theres no grave. Theres no photo or video of him dead. Theres questions on how he died. Theres just no closure for them.....

People are always going to doubt that he really died. A photo isnt gonna help. I honestly think it will hurt a little because it gives people something to pick at. Be like the SEALS, do your job, leave nothing, turn down any praise.

Well said.

As much as I personally would like to see a photo, I'm not sure how much good would come out of publishing it for the world to see. I mean, I guess it would be an exclamation point at the end of a "don't f*ck with the USA" moment. But honestly, only conspiracy theorists and extremist muslim propagandists are preaching that he's still alive. Scores of anti-western muslim populations are marching in the streets because of his death. Pretty sure the vast majority of earth knows damn well we got that SOB.

[mlmpetert]

YouTube - Navy SEALS "Footprints" Commercial

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

YouTube - Navy SEALS "Footprints" Commercial

Badass!

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

YouTube - Navy SEALS "Footprints" Commercial

Cool commercial, I remember when visiting San Diego I saw some seals running on the beach in full scuba equipment!

[12thMan]

I just watched a Leon Panetta on PBS with Jim Lehrer and he asked if bin Laden had any last words for the SEALS...Panetta responded, quite frankly I don't think he had the opportunity. It all went down so fast once they located him.

[saden1]

The whole world knew what the U.S. goal was with respect to Osama. The people who follow him also knew this day was coming and I doubt a photo of him dead will sway their opinion of us in any direction. These people are plotting to kill Americans all the time and I highly doubt there will be an increase, just that their timetable might move up. Some worry about the causal/proxy Osama fan picking up arms...I don't see how these people would get motivated by his death but not his hundreds of call-to-arm videos.


The world needs to see the consequence of Osama's actions are. Release the photos and let the chips fall where they may.

[saden1]

Alas, the photos won't be released.

Obama: I won't release bin Laden death photos - Political Hotsheet - CBS News